Run the 3-4 Anybody?

franklinhimself · 09-17-2009, 10:35 PM

I think Blache is a great old school coach, and there is a lot to consider, but last year he said he'd be done after this year.

I don't think I would love anything more than for the FO to hire a really agressive up and coming D-coordinator to switch the front 7 to a 3-4. We have the personnel I think.
Orakpo- who's playing so far from his natural position as a 4-3 SAM linebacker
Jarmon- pass rusher
Carter
McIntosh
Fletcher
then for D-line: Haynesworth at NT, then you have Griffin, Alexander, Montgomery and Golston.

What are your thoughts? Who are potential candidates?

It's just something I thought about while sitting on my ass watching this G-Tech- Miami game.

Ruhskins · 09-17-2009, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

I think Blache is a great old school coach, and there is a lot to consider, but last year he said he'd be done after this year.

I don't think I would love anything more than for the FO to hire a really agressive up and coming D-coordinator to switch the front 7 to a 3-4. We have the personnel I think.
Orakpo- who's playing so far from his natural position as a 4-3 SAM linebacker
Jarmon- pass rusher
Carter
McIntosh
Fletcher
then for D-line: Haynesworth at NT, then you have Griffin, Alexander, Montgomery and Golston.

What are your thoughts? Who are potential candidates?

It's just something I thought about while sitting on my ass watching this G-Tech- Miami game.

This was debated before, but it was before we got Haynesworth, I'll be curious to see what the debate would look like now that we have a big NT. The Packers seem to have made a good transition to the 3-4. I'm sure realistically any transition would happen in the offseason.

So do you think Miami is back? Or are GTech and FSU not that good?

Big C · 09-17-2009, 10:41 PM

carter was a very average 3-4 lb in san fran. jarmon is not a linebacker in a 3-4.

Big C · 09-17-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

This was debated before, but it was before we got Haynesworth, I'll be curious to see what the debate would look like now that we have a big NT. The Packers seem to have made a good transition to the 3-4. I'm sure realistically any transition would happen in the offseason.

So do you think Miami is back? Or are GTech and FSU not that good?

miami is definitely back. maybe not as a national title contender but they are going to be very good. its either them or us (VT) for the ACC this year imo.

skinsfan69 · 09-17-2009, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

I think Blache is a great old school coach, and there is a lot to consider, but last year he said he'd be done after this year.

I don't think I would love anything more than for the FO to hire a really agressive up and coming D-coordinator to switch the front 7 to a 3-4. We have the personnel I think.
Orakpo- who's playing so far from his natural position as a 4-3 SAM linebacker
Jarmon- pass rusher
Carter
McIntosh
Fletcher
then for D-line: Haynesworth at NT, then you have Griffin, Alexander, Montgomery and Golston.

What are your thoughts? Who are potential candidates?

It's just something I thought about while sitting on my ass watching this G-Tech- Miami game.

I don't think we have the personel for it. We don't have a pure NT, and we don't have 3-4 ends. We might be OK at LB though.

Ruhskins · 09-17-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think we have the personel for it. We don't have a pure NT, and we don't have 3-4 ends. We might be OK at LB though.

Even with AH? I mean when we just had Griff I could see that, but AH is huge. Granted, we would need more depth at NT b/c Griff wouldn't be a good NT.

franklinhimself · 09-17-2009, 10:49 PM

Miami's BACK!

Besides that though- we could acquire some depth for where we might b weak in terms of 3-4 personnel, but I think it's really possible. Yes, GB looks like they've done it successfully.

and if Haynesworth isn't a pure NT then i dunno who is.

SFREDSKIN · 09-17-2009, 10:54 PM

Why? Not enough LB's on the team and 4-3 is what the Skins D is built around.

The Goat · 09-17-2009, 11:00 PM

We're far from having the appropriate personnel to run a 3-4 defense. Even assuming big Al could make the transition is a stretch. That said there's much more we can do schematically to improve on our 4-3 base.

Best case scenario...Spags gets ripped apart as an HC and comes in to be our DC. Ok i don't know if that's legit but certainly there's gotta be someone who can "get more" from our guys on defense.

53Fan · 09-17-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

We're far from having the appropriate personnel to run a 3-4 defense. Even assuming big Al could make the transition is a stretch. That said there's much more we can do schematically to improve on our 4-3 base.

Best case scenario...Spags gets ripped apart as an HC and comes in to be our DC. Ok i don't know if that's legit but certainly there's gotta be someone who can "get more" from our guys on defense.

TAMPERING! TAMPERING! Actually I'd be willing to give up a pick to get him.

steveo395 · 09-17-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

We're far from having the appropriate personnel to run a 3-4 defense. Even assuming big Al could make the transition is a stretch. That said there's much more we can do schematically to improve on our 4-3 base.

Best case scenario...Spags gets ripped apart as an HC and comes in to be our DC. Ok i don't know if that's legit but certainly there's gotta be someone who can "get more" from our guys on defense.

Gregg Williams could get fired again

Dirtbag59 · 09-17-2009, 11:37 PM

Technically we play our 4-3 with 3-4 personnel. Two traditional linebackers (Fletcher and McIntosh), two outside rushers (Orakpo and Carter), and 3 interior lineman (Griffin, Haynesworth, and Daniels). However I don't think we should be running a 3-4. The way the personnel plays, (particularly Fletcher, Carter, and Haynesworth) is best suited to the 4-3.

30gut · 09-17-2009, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

I don't think I would love anything more than for the FO to hire a really agressive up and coming D-coordinator to switch the front 7 to a 3-4. We have the personnel I think.

What are your thoughts? Who are potential candidates?

I wish Blache was more aggressive in his schemes.
Is it the 3-4 you want or an aggressive blitz intense scheme?

Because there are plenty of 4-3 teams that are aggressive and dynamic.

But, to answer your question we could easily run a 3-4 and there are times when we were in 3-4 look.

If we were to run a 3-4 i would set it up like this:

Monty, yes monty at NT
Haynesworth DE
Daniels DE
Wilson OLB
Orakpo OLB
Fletcher ILB
Rocky ILB

GTripp0012 · 09-17-2009, 11:47 PM

3-4 is all about having great linebackers, so it's viable only if McIntosh has a true breakout year. A DL of Haynesworth, Jarmon, and Lorenzo Alexander could run it, but outside of Orakpo, we just don't have the LBs right now.

CultBrennan59 · 09-17-2009, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 30gut

I wish Blache was more aggressive in his schemes.
Is it the 3-4 you want or an aggressive blitz intense scheme?

Because there are plenty of 4-3 teams that are aggressive and dynamic.

But, to answer your question we could easily run a 3-4 and there are times when we were in 3-4 look.

If we were to run a 3-4 i would set it up like this:

Monty, yes monty at NT
Haynesworth DE
Daniels DE
Wilson OLB
Orakpo OLB
Fletcher ILB
Rocky ILB

Yes thats exactly the same way I would run the 3-4. Haynesworth shouldn't be a NT, to anyone who thinks that. He should be a DE, cause he plays that sometimes in a 4-3 and is very adaptable. I would also consider playing lorenzo alexander at DE aswell, asuming that daniels won't be here next year.

09-17-2009, 10:35 PM	#1
franklinhimself Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 110	Run the 3-4 Anybody? I think Blache is a great old school coach, and there is a lot to consider, but last year he said he'd be done after this year. I don't think I would love anything more than for the FO to hire a really agressive up and coming D-coordinator to switch the front 7 to a 3-4. We have the personnel I think. Orakpo- who's playing so far from his natural position as a 4-3 SAM linebacker Jarmon- pass rusher Carter McIntosh Fletcher then for D-line: Haynesworth at NT, then you have Griffin, Alexander, Montgomery and Golston. What are your thoughts? Who are potential candidates? It's just something I thought about while sitting on my ass watching this G-Tech- Miami game.

09-17-2009, 10:41 PM	#3
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Age: 27 Posts: 4,423	Re: Run the 3-4 Anybody? carter was a very average 3-4 lb in san fran. jarmon is not a linebacker in a 3-4. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

09-17-2009, 10:49 PM	#7
franklinhimself Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 110	Re: Run the 3-4 Anybody? Miami's BACK! Besides that though- we could acquire some depth for where we might b weak in terms of 3-4 personnel, but I think it's really possible. Yes, GB looks like they've done it successfully. and if Haynesworth isn't a pure NT then i dunno who is.

09-17-2009, 10:54 PM	#8
SFREDSKIN Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 6,505	Re: Run the 3-4 Anybody? Why? Not enough LB's on the team and 4-3 is what the Skins D is built around. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth Last edited by SFREDSKIN; 09-17-2009 at 11:09 PM.

09-17-2009, 11:00 PM	#9
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,021	Re: Run the 3-4 Anybody? We're far from having the appropriate personnel to run a 3-4 defense. Even assuming big Al could make the transition is a stretch. That said there's much more we can do schematically to improve on our 4-3 base. Best case scenario...Spags gets ripped apart as an HC and comes in to be our DC. Ok i don't know if that's legit but certainly there's gotta be someone who can "get more" from our guys on defense. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

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Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 27 Posts: 13,958	Re: Run the 3-4 Anybody? Technically we play our 4-3 with 3-4 personnel. Two traditional linebackers (Fletcher and McIntosh), two outside rushers (Orakpo and Carter), and 3 interior lineman (Griffin, Haynesworth, and Daniels). However I don't think we should be running a 3-4. The way the personnel plays, (particularly Fletcher, Carter, and Haynesworth) is best suited to the 4-3. __________________ Flacco is 1337 Fanclub President

09-17-2009, 11:47 PM	#14
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Run the 3-4 Anybody? 3-4 is all about having great linebackers, so it's viable only if McIntosh has a true breakout year. A DL of Haynesworth, Jarmon, and Lorenzo Alexander could run it, but outside of Orakpo, we just don't have the LBs right now. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

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