Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams)

Mattyk · 09-21-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

Like JC said to Kelli Johnson, they are still working on fade routes. Obviously JC and the WRs arent ready to run those kind of plays in the RZ.

You don't have to run only fades though.

irish · 09-21-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You don't have to run only fades though.

True. This is all the same arguments and heartburn we had when the key guys couldnt score for Gibbs. Its becomming obvious its the players not the coaches.

Mattyk · 09-21-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

True. This is all the same arguments and heartburn we had when the key guys couldnt score for Gibbs. Its becomming obvious its the players not the coaches.

We don't know if it's the players when they're not even given the chance.

You really think Zorn is calling a good game inside the RZ?

SmootSmack · 09-21-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

Its funny you mention the fade. Kelli Johnson asked JC about running the fade during CSN's post game show yesterday and JC's response was "we are working on it". I almost fell out of my chair.

Chase and Marko had the fade down perfectly. Obviously the answer is to go back and get Chase

irish · 09-21-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We don't know if it's the players when they're not even given the chance.

You really think Zorn is calling a good game inside the RZ?

I think there's a reason they arent given the chance. If I was Zorn I'd put these players out there, run it wide open and show once and for all that they cant do it the way its supposed to be done. That way I could go to mgmt and say see, I dont have the guys that can get it done. But that said I think Zorn knows this is a marathon and you have to play with the cards you are dealt so he is trying his best to put them in a position to succeed based on their limitations.

What I see in the RZ is pretty bad but I think Zorn calls plays based on the players he has not the players he wishes he had.

redsk1 · 09-21-2009, 11:26 AM

First post after the game:

My main problems w/ the game was the playcalling on our RZ offense. I think we ran on all of the 1st downs. 4 I think. 1 down is one that defenses aren't real sure what you are going to run. You've got to run some routes in the end zone.

The Portis Throw was a horrible call. It wasn't even disguised well. It's like we are coming up w/ BS plays b/c we know we can't score w/ our normal offense.

The D came to play and gave up 7 pts. Yes, it wasn't pretty all day but effective. I don't care what anyone sais AH had another great game.

FRPLG · 09-21-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

True. This is all the same arguments and heartburn we had when the key guys couldnt score for Gibbs. Its becomming obvious its the players not the coaches.

I think it is becoming obvious that may ALSO be the players.

CRedskinsRule · 09-21-2009, 11:29 AM

I do think JC probably struggles with the fade. Chase, Collins, and the other guy have all shown some ability at it. JC is a very line of sight type passer. Soooo if that's the case, maybe he needs a little bit of coaching on that. I wonder who works the most with the qb's.

I will defend the Portis throw to the end, especially since JC's ankle was hurt. Portis has thrown that before, and nearly hit it. A shot is a shot, and if JZ doesnt think Campbell can throw the touch, give it to someone who can. My biggest gripe is the last CP stretch run, not because the formation was bad but I think the defense was so anxious to over run it that a fake would have left Cooley wide open in the opposite direction.

Mattyk · 09-21-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

I think there's a reason they arent given the chance. If I was Zorn I'd put these players out there, run it wide open and show once and for all that they cant do it the way its supposed to be done. That way I could go to mgmt and say see, I dont have the guys that can get it done. But that said I think Zorn knows this is a marathon and you have to play with the cards you are dealt so he is trying his best to put them in a position to succeed based on their limitations.

What I see in the RZ is pretty bad but I think Zorn calls plays based on the players he has not the players he wishes he had.

He's had 2 offseasons now to bring in "his guys". I'm not buying that excuse at this point.

SmootSmack · 09-21-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

You should read Boswell's article in today's Wash Post. He basically says the O wasnt good at scoring under Gibbs and now with essentially the same guys they arent good at scoring under Zorn. Its the players, not the coaching. Think about it, the Moss & ARE are midgets so they get lost in the RZ. They only have 1 RB that's a threat so he's easily keyed on and stopped. JC throws a hard ball at close range which creates problems. Cooley as the only receiving threat is then double teamed and neutralized. The O can move up the field fine but just doesnt have the horses to be successful in the RZ.

But Boswell also said...

"Once again, just as in '08, Zorn's biggest problem is the inability of his offensive coordinator to design plays, then call them appropriately, to score inside the 20-yard line. But Zorn is essentially his own final word on all offensive matters. So why yell at his team until he finishes berating himself?"

Trample the Elderly · 09-21-2009, 11:41 AM

No excuses!

Rajmahal33 · 09-21-2009, 11:53 AM

Regardless of all this finger pointing the bottom line is, we have played thus far like a team that should finish 6-10.

Who would have thought that through 2 games, Hunter Smith would have the team's only rushing TD AND that would be equal to the total number of TD's the 1st team offense scored? All things considered, I'd say its miraculous that we are 1-1 and could conceivably have be 2-0. Unless there are some serious changes made to the lifestyle/culture/attitude of this team immediately, we are headed for 6-10, though.

irish · 09-21-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

He's had 2 offseasons now to bring in "his guys". I'm not buying that excuse at this point.

Zorn cant bring anybody in, thats Vinny & Danny's job. They bring in who/what they want not necessarily what's best for the team.

Mattyk · 09-21-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

Zorn cant bring anybody in, thats Vinny & Danny's job. They bring in who/what they want not necessarily what's best for the team.

Zorn has input.

irish · 09-21-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But Boswell also said...

"Once again, just as in '08, Zorn's biggest problem is the inability of his offensive coordinator to design plays, then call them appropriately, to score inside the 20-yard line. But Zorn is essentially his own final word on all offensive matters. So why yell at his team until he finishes berating himself?"

Like I said, Zorn is trying to run plays these guys can handle and right now its not working well because the things these guys can handle are basic schemes and plays which are easy to defend. IMO, Zorn is handcuffed and he trying to wiggle his way out of these cuffs and protect his players. Its not gonna be easy or pretty.

09-21-2009, 11:26 AM	#201
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) First post after the game: My main problems w/ the game was the playcalling on our RZ offense. I think we ran on all of the 1st downs. 4 I think. 1 down is one that defenses aren't real sure what you are going to run. You've got to run some routes in the end zone. The Portis Throw was a horrible call. It wasn't even disguised well. It's like we are coming up w/ BS plays b/c we know we can't score w/ our normal offense. The D came to play and gave up 7 pts. Yes, it wasn't pretty all day but effective. I don't care what anyone sais AH had another great game.

09-21-2009, 11:29 AM	#203
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 10,923	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) I do think JC probably struggles with the fade. Chase, Collins, and the other guy have all shown some ability at it. JC is a very line of sight type passer. Soooo if that's the case, maybe he needs a little bit of coaching on that. I wonder who works the most with the qb's. I will defend the Portis throw to the end, especially since JC's ankle was hurt. Portis has thrown that before, and nearly hit it. A shot is a shot, and if JZ doesnt think Campbell can throw the touch, give it to someone who can. My biggest gripe is the last CP stretch run, not because the formation was bad but I think the defense was so anxious to over run it that a fake would have left Cooley wide open in the opposite direction.

09-21-2009, 11:41 AM	#206
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 35 Posts: 2,906	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) No excuses! __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

09-21-2009, 11:53 AM	#207
Rajmahal33 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 478	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) Regardless of all this finger pointing the bottom line is, we have played thus far like a team that should finish 6-10. Who would have thought that through 2 games, Hunter Smith would have the team's only rushing TD AND that would be equal to the total number of TD's the 1st team offense scored? All things considered, I'd say its miraculous that we are 1-1 and could conceivably have be 2-0. Unless there are some serious changes made to the lifestyle/culture/attitude of this team immediately, we are headed for 6-10, though. __________________ McNasty FTW!

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