Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams)

irish · 09-21-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Zorn has input.

Having input and being able to bring someone in are very different things. Bottom line is if Vinny & Danny dont want it it aint gonna happen.

GTripp0012 · 09-21-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

Like most of the people here, my major issue was with Zorn's game management and play calling, but I'm a bit surprised that no one has mentioned Jeremy Jarmon's boneheaded late hit on Bulger, which basically took points off the board. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to a rookie mistake, but taking the ball away from the Rams inside their 20 yard line, and giving it back to them because of a stupid penalty was a momentum killer.

Also, Jeremy Jarmon wasn't even om the field on that play. Orakpo and Golston hit Bulger and I think what they called was hand to helmet contact by Golston, but in any case it was a technical roughing call, not actually extensive or unnecessary.

Teams that put pressure on the QB are going to draw roughing calls in today's game. I think the NFL realizes that they are creating unavoidable penalties, and just doesn't care all that much.

Mattyk · 09-21-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Having input and being able to bring someone in are very different things. Bottom line is if Vinny & Danny dont want it it aint gonna happen.

How does that differ from most front office setups around the league?

Bottom line, this team has weapons. Zorn is going into a shell in the RZ. Perhaps a lack of confidence in the players, or perhaps a lack of confidence in his plays, who knows. All I know it's up to him to figure out how to start turning 3's into 7's otherwise it's his butt that's on the line.

irish · 09-21-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How does that differ from most front office setups around the league?

Bottom line, this team has weapons. Zorn is going into a shell in the RZ. Perhaps a lack of confidence in the players, or perhaps a lack of confidence in his plays, who knows. All I know it's up to him to figure out how to start turning 3's into 7's otherwise it's his butt that's on the line.

You know very well the Skins FO runs different than any team in the league except for maybe Oakland.

I dont think this team has the weapon some think it does and those "weapons" are easily neutralized in the RZ when the field is shortened. I agree, its up to Zorn to figure this out or else he's gone.

DBUCHANON101 · 09-21-2009, 12:21 PM

Bottomline, we should have won by 20+ pts yesterday. We have stalled in the RZ and have not shown any homerun ability from outside the 20 thusfar. Something has to change or we are in for a long season when we play the upper tier teams. I could expect a game like that against the Steelers or the Ravens but this was the Rams. The same team that Seattle blew up last week. Whatever the problem or problemS are, Zorn better figure it out or his seat will get hot really quick

Ruhskins · 09-21-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

You know very well the Skins FO runs different than any team in the league except for maybe Oakland.

I dont think this team has the weapon some think it does and those "weapons" are easily neutralized in the RZ when the field is shortened. I agree, its up to Zorn to figure this out or else he's gone.

I think you are making an unnecessary argument about the FO here...bottom line is Zorn needs to use the players that he has better in the RZ. His playcalling is terrible in those situation. It doesn't make any sense that the team has talent to move the ball easily between the 20s and to settle for FGs.

If anything, the FO needs to look at some of these so called playmakers (i.e. Moss) and make a decision whether it is time to part ways with them.

Mattyk · 09-21-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

You know very well the Skins FO runs different than any team in the league except for maybe Oakland.

I dont think this team has the weapon some think it does and those "weapons" are easily neutralized in the RZ when the field is shortened. I agree, its up to Zorn to figure this out or else he's gone.

Maybe I don't know then.

There are plenty of teams where the head coach does not have the final say in every move.

You think Wade is making personnel calls in Dallas? Hell I don't even think Coughlin or Reid have the final say either.

Beemnseven · 09-21-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

It's true, maybe my beef is with the secondary. Are we missing Springs THAT much? It's basically the same secondary that dominated last year and this year we're getting bitched on almost every third down.

Even though Carter is getting good pressure, I was just thinking we'd see a few more sacks with the addition of Haynesworth and Orakpo.

Yeah, me too. Hard to believe we had more sacks over the first two games last year than we do this year.

SmootSmack · 09-21-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

You know very well the Skins FO runs different than any team in the league except for maybe Oakland.

You're just making stuff up now

redsk1 · 09-21-2009, 12:34 PM

Zorn didn't even hire his own coaches barring a couple. Let's not pretend this is Zorn's team. Not berating the guy, but our FO put together this team. I'm sure Zorn has input but i don't see him being the decision maker when it comes to personel.

Regardless, it's concerning we put up 9 pts and they know it. Hopefully it will get better. It's got to.

SC Skins Fan · 09-21-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

Zorn didn't even hire his own coaches barring a couple. Let's not pretend this is Zorn's team. Not berating the guy, but our FO put together this team. I'm sure Zorn has input but i don't see him being the decision maker when it comes to personel.

Regardless, it's concerning we put up 9 pts and they know it. Hopefully it will get better. It's got to.

I agree that all roads lead back to Redskins Park, but that does not mean that Zorn is not a liability at this point. It just means that Vinny and Dan were the ones that made him the coach.

irish · 09-21-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think you are making an unnecessary argument about the FO here...bottom line is Zorn needs to use the players that he has better in the RZ. His playcalling is terrible in those situation. It doesn't make any sense that the team has talent to move the ball easily between the 20s and to settle for FGs.

If anything, the FO needs to look at some of these so called playmakers (i.e. Moss) and make a decision whether it is time to part ways with them.

I agree Zorn needs to use the players better and I think he is trying to use them better based on their limitations but like I said, it isnt easy and it wont be pretty. These guys dont have the horsepower to score 30 ppg.

I agree about the FO. The Skins really dont have any playmakers or weapons and IMO its time to part ways with a whole bunch of these "weapons" on O. I doubt the FO will really do that as look at what they just did with Sellers. They should have let his contract run out and wish him well with any team that might take him.

Beemnseven · 09-21-2009, 12:52 PM

I think the fundamental question regarding the offense is whether the system is wrong, or if the players just aren't that good. I'm beginning to think it's the latter.

The only bonafide star that other teams would really want is Chris Cooley. But tight ends usually aren't going to be the difference makers in this league. Clinton Portis at this point in his career is good enough to get yardage, but he's no longer a game-breaking threat. We've got two young receivers that have yet to prove themselves, while our so-called #1, Santana Moss, isn't showing up. ARE is a possession guy who, again, isn't a game-breaker.

Point is, we didn't have the playmakers last year, and we don't have them again this year.

irish · 09-21-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I think the fundamental question regarding the offense is whether the system is wrong, or if the players just aren't that good. I'm beginning to think it's the latter.

The only bonafide star that other teams would really want is Chris Cooley. But tight ends usually aren't going to be the difference makers in this league. Clinton Portis at this point in his career is good enough to get yardage, but he's no longer a game-breaking threat. We've got two young receivers that have yet to prove themselves, while our so-called #1, Santana Moss, isn't showing up. ARE is a possession guy who, again, isn't a game-breaker.

Point is, we didn't have the playmakers last year, and we don't have them again this year.

I couldnt have said it better myself.

SC Skins Fan · 09-21-2009, 01:17 PM

Just remember that it could always be worse.

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09-21-2009, 12:21 PM	#215
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) Bottomline, we should have won by 20+ pts yesterday. We have stalled in the RZ and have not shown any homerun ability from outside the 20 thusfar. Something has to change or we are in for a long season when we play the upper tier teams. I could expect a game like that against the Steelers or the Ravens but this was the Rams. The same team that Seattle blew up last week. Whatever the problem or problemS are, Zorn better figure it out or his seat will get hot really quick __________________ But there's booze in the blender. And soon it will render. That frozen concoction that helps me hang on.

09-21-2009, 12:34 PM	#220
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) Zorn didn't even hire his own coaches barring a couple. Let's not pretend this is Zorn's team. Not berating the guy, but our FO put together this team. I'm sure Zorn has input but i don't see him being the decision maker when it comes to personel. Regardless, it's concerning we put up 9 pts and they know it. Hopefully it will get better. It's got to.

09-21-2009, 12:52 PM	#223
Beemnseven Fighting off The Crazies Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 39 Posts: 5,280	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) I think the fundamental question regarding the offense is whether the system is wrong, or if the players just aren't that good. I'm beginning to think it's the latter. The only bonafide star that other teams would really want is Chris Cooley. But tight ends usually aren't going to be the difference makers in this league. Clinton Portis at this point in his career is good enough to get yardage, but he's no longer a game-breaking threat. We've got two young receivers that have yet to prove themselves, while our so-called #1, Santana Moss, isn't showing up. ARE is a possession guy who, again, isn't a game-breaker. Point is, we didn't have the playmakers last year, and we don't have them again this year.

09-21-2009, 01:17 PM	#225
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,554	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) Just remember that it could always be worse. New York Jets at Washington Redskins - December 11th, 1993 \| Pro-Football-Reference.com __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

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