Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams)

Slingin Sammy 33 · 09-20-2009, 04:54 PM

Before we run Zorn out of town.

- We put up 362 yards
- 7/15 46% on 3rd down.
- JC was 23 of 36 0 INTs 63.8%
- Not counting the kneel-down, we had 7 drives. 4 were 13+ play drives, 1 was 9 plays, only two 3 & outs

I know we're playing the Rams, but Spags is a D guy and it's not outside the realm of possibility that his D will be getting better week-to-week.

Also, these are not Zorn's fault:
- JC two bad throws on deep balls that would've likely been TDs (Kelly & Thomas)
- Moss fumble inside 10 yd line
- Sellers dropped TD

I remember the Gibbs' 80s well. I remember Mark Moseley being the MVP and a few 15-14 & 12-10 wins in those days. Let's take the W and hope Zorn looks at film and improves the RZ offense over the next couple of weeks.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 09-20-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Dear Jim Zorn.

I'd like to introduce you to my new friend Marko Mitchell.

I'd also like to introduce you to throwing the football to the back of the endzone.

Please meet my friend the slant.

This is my other friend he is named the quarterback rollout.

agree, good post, let's hope JZ reads Warpath. I think Blache must've this week...LOL

53Fan · 09-20-2009, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

agree, good post, let's hope JZ reads Warpath. I think Blache must've this week...LOL

Could be.

12thMan · 09-20-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Before we run Zorn out of town.

- We put up 362 yards
- 7/15 46% on 3rd down.
- JC was 23 of 36 0 INTs 63.8%
- Not counting the kneel-down, we had 7 drives. 4 were 13+ play drives, 1 was 9 plays, only two 3 & outs

I know we're playing the Rams, but Spags is a D guy and it's not outside the realm of possibility that his D will be getting better week-to-week.

Also, these are not Zorn's fault:
- JC two bad throws on deep balls that would've likely been TDs (Kelly & Thomas)
- Moss fumble inside 10 yd line
- Sellers dropped TD

I remember the Gibbs' 80s well. I remember Mark Moseley being the MVP and a few 15-14 & 12-10 wins in those days. Let's take the W and hope Zorn looks at film and improves the RZ offense over the next couple of weeks.

Someone once said stats tell you everything and they tell you nothing. In fact, I posted in a thread last week that I would be looking for certain statistical production. This game was anamoly. You won't win many games in the NFL without scoring in the red zone after so many shots.

Dirtbag59 · 09-20-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well I saw alot of improvement today. The offense has definitely opened up. Sellers and Thomas had TD's in their hands and dropped them. I would imagine that Zorn will spend a lot of time this week on playcalling in the redzone. If he works that out, our offense is going to look fantastic. I think he'll learn because he's not an idiot. Stop thinking so much and making it complicated Jimbo, it doesn't have to be rocket science. Trying to outsmart the defense in the redzone is not the answer. Call something solid and execute...... And it's not mandatory to wait until 3rd down to throw into the endzone.

God knows his running calls aren't rocket science.

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Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Bugel taking over is the best idea I've heard all day. I've always wanted him to be the Redskins coach.

He's also the type that would be able to step down after the season. Blache on the other hand would hold on to that spot for dear life.

dumpcm · 09-20-2009, 05:06 PM

go redskins!!!!!!!!

GusFrerotte · 09-20-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Zorn, Zorn, Zorn

Right now he's the problem, and a big one.

I don't agree with making a change during the season, but he's clearly on the hot seat and the flames are only getting hotter.

I get the feeling Snyder knew this was going to happen. Snyder wanted a Cowher or Billick but those guys weren't biting so he got Zorn to be his sacrificial lamb so to speak until the big boys were ready to coach again.

Mattyk · 09-20-2009, 05:15 PM

People keep saying Thomas dropped that one in the endzone but I thought the defender broke it up? Maybe not I haven't seen it again just asking.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 09-20-2009, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Someone once said stats tell you everything and they tell you nothing. In fact, I posted in a thread last week that I would be looking for certain statistical production. This game was anamoly. You won't win many games in the NFL without scoring in the red zone after so many shots.

My point in posting the stats was that the offensive playcalling couldn't have been such shit that we had 5 long drives (4 13 plays or more). We certainly need to fix the RZ production, but IMO it's something that's can be fixed. We just need to see if Zorn is capable of fixing it.

There were also a couple articles out there about JZ being willing to let JC sink-or-swim by opening up and not being afraid to take chances. I think he has to at this point. We need to find out if JZ's O can really be successful and if JC deserves to be re-signed, win or lose.

Mattyk · 09-20-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I keep hearing this crazy argument. It makes no sense.

Yeah I agree.

It's another wacky conspiracy theory some fans seem to buy into.

It's crap.

GTripp0012 · 09-20-2009, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

People keep saying Thomas dropped that one in the endzone but I thought the defender broke it up? Maybe not I haven't seen it again just asking.

It was thrown low into him between defenders and went off his hands. It's a TD catch you'd expect an NFL receiver to make, though, it was by no means a particularly catchable ball. More of a third-choice desperation read on third down.

Bucket · 09-20-2009, 06:03 PM

I was calling our offensive plays in the red zone, and I can predict them, then I know the 11 players, and Spagn can predict them as well.

Stretch
stretch
PA

PA
Stretch
stretch
stretch

Jesus.. The stretch doesn't' work with a backup gaurd, and 10 Defensive players in the box!!!!!! WAKE UP

Lotus · 09-20-2009, 06:12 PM

Zorn's red zone playcalling is awful, as others have suggested. However, I'm not sure a change of the head coach is all of that helpful in terms of continuity. Not many teams who change head coaches mid-year end up in the playoffs.

So either:
1) Zorn needs to do some real soul searching about his play calling, or
2) play calling could be turned over to Sherman Smith

In another issue, someone needs to tell Santana Moss that the season began last week. He still hasn't really shown up for work yet.

JWsleep · 09-20-2009, 06:12 PM

If Zorn gets Ws, no matter how ugly, he's the coach.

However, I do think he might be asked to consider giving up palycalling duties. Has Stump Mitchell ever called games? I don't think Buges is the right call there.

And I agree that we didn't look bad between the 20s, but if we continue to struggle like this... oy.

doughtydoubter · 09-20-2009, 06:17 PM

I really like zorn, i want him to succeed, but i truly have to believe if danny smith has to tell him when to call a time out, and channeling gibbs 2.0 on predictability..he probably need to shake it up and do some soul searching.
Campbell played well.
Good to see kelly being a factor also.

09-20-2009, 04:54 PM	#31
Slingin Sammy 33 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 4,202	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) Before we run Zorn out of town. - We put up 362 yards - 7/15 46% on 3rd down. - JC was 23 of 36 0 INTs 63.8% - Not counting the kneel-down, we had 7 drives. 4 were 13+ play drives, 1 was 9 plays, only two 3 & outs I know we're playing the Rams, but Spags is a D guy and it's not outside the realm of possibility that his D will be getting better week-to-week. Also, these are not Zorn's fault: - JC two bad throws on deep balls that would've likely been TDs (Kelly & Thomas) - Moss fumble inside 10 yd line - Sellers dropped TD I remember the Gibbs' 80s well. I remember Mark Moseley being the MVP and a few 15-14 & 12-10 wins in those days. Let's take the W and hope Zorn looks at film and improves the RZ offense over the next couple of weeks. __________________ ...[If] an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything]....you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' — Jack Kent Cooke, 1996.

09-20-2009, 05:06 PM	#36
dumpcm Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) go redskins!!!!!!!!

09-20-2009, 05:15 PM	#38
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,653	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) People keep saying Thomas dropped that one in the endzone but I thought the defender broke it up? Maybe not I haven't seen it again just asking. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-20-2009, 06:03 PM	#42
Bucket The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Martinsburg, WV Posts: 2,136	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) I was calling our offensive plays in the red zone, and I can predict them, then I know the 11 players, and Spagn can predict them as well. Stretch stretch PA PA Stretch stretch stretch Jesus.. The stretch doesn't' work with a backup gaurd, and 10 Defensive players in the box!!!!!! WAKE UP

09-20-2009, 06:12 PM	#43
Lotus Mann Up HOF! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 8,906	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) Zorn's red zone playcalling is awful, as others have suggested. However, I'm not sure a change of the head coach is all of that helpful in terms of continuity. Not many teams who change head coaches mid-year end up in the playoffs. So either: 1) Zorn needs to do some real soul searching about his play calling, or 2) play calling could be turned over to Sherman Smith In another issue, someone needs to tell Santana Moss that the season began last week. He still hasn't really shown up for work yet. __________________ Rooting for the Dallas Cowboys should be recognized as a treatable mental disorder.

09-20-2009, 06:12 PM	#44
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 44 Posts: 4,576	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) If Zorn gets Ws, no matter how ugly, he's the coach. However, I do think he might be asked to consider giving up palycalling duties. Has Stump Mitchell ever called games? I don't think Buges is the right call there. And I agree that we didn't look bad between the 20s, but if we continue to struggle like this... oy. __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-20-2009, 06:17 PM	#45
doughtydoubter Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: the glorious city of DC Posts: 696	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) I really like zorn, i want him to succeed, but i truly have to believe if danny smith has to tell him when to call a time out, and channeling gibbs 2.0 on predictability..he probably need to shake it up and do some soul searching. Campbell played well. Good to see kelly being a factor also.

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