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Old 09-20-2009, 11:32 PM   #76
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Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)

From 2001-2007, there were no offensive linemen picked in the first three rounds of the draft. That's a pattern. And not a winning one I might add.

edit: check that -- first two rounds of the draft (Dockery, 3rd round 2003)
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From 2001-2007, there were no offensive linemen picked in the first three rounds of the draft. That's a pattern. And not a winning one I might add.
They drafted Dockery in 2003 in the third
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see my edit -- still, that's obviously not enough
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see my edit -- still, that's obviously not enough
Well, I understand your rant, but the Redskins under Gibbs chose to build through trades and free agency. Now that Vinny is doing most of the decisions, that may change. Just look at how much progress has been made in two years. Not to bash Gibbs, but he just did not believe in youth, he believed in vets.
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Well, I understand your rant, but the Redskins under Gibbs chose to build through trades and free agency. Now that Vinny is doing most of the decisions, that may change. Just look at how much progress has been made in two years. Not to bash Gibbs, but he just did not believe in youth, he believed in vets.
Good post. I know this is blasphemy but Gibbs seemed to want to hold on to these aging lineman.
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Wrong, when Gibbs came over Samuels and Dockery were young, Rabach,Thomas were fairly young FA, Jansen was the elder player if that's what you want to call a player in his mid 20's.
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Wrong, when Gibbs came over Samuels and Dockery were young, Rabach,Thomas were fairly young FA, Jansen was the elder player if that's what you want to call a player in his mid 20's.
Ray Brown, Jason Fabini, Pete Kendell, and Todd Wade were all washed up veterans that played for him.
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Ray Brown, Jason Fabini, and Todd Wade were all washed up veterans that played for him.
I don't recall them to be starters with the exception of Brown, can you say veteran backups?
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I don't recall them to be starters with the exception of Brown, can you say veteran backups?
Can you say old as crap or Pete Kendall. If you see what I said, was we have a youngster to go in and play guard.
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Well, I understand your rant, but the Redskins under Gibbs chose to build through trades and free agency. Now that Vinny is doing most of the decisions, that may change. Just look at how much progress has been made in two years. Not to bash Gibbs, but he just did not believe in youth, he believed in vets.
Progress? ehh... if we'd have had this year's 2nd and 6th round picks instead of Jason Taylor's 2.5 sacks last year, I might agree.

Gibbs' only concern was winning right now, so much so that he mortgaged the team's future to do it. A 2nd for Portis, a 3rd for Brunell, a 3rd and 4th for Duckett, a 3rd and a 4th for Lloyd ...
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Progress? ehh... if we'd have had this year's 2nd and 6th round picks instead of Jason Taylor's 2.5 sacks last year, I might agree.

Gibbs' only concern was winning right now, so much so that he mortgaged the team's future to do it. A 2nd for Portis, a 3rd for Brunell, a 3rd and 4th for Duckett, a 3rd and a 4th for Lloyd ...
Well all these things have put us in a hole, but in the past year or so we've been doing our best to get out of it.

Well anyway, let's not stray from the point of this thread or the discussion...who is an option for the team to pick up now that they've lost Randy Thomas?
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Progress? ehh... if we'd have had this year's 2nd and 6th round picks instead of Jason Taylor's 2.5 sacks last year, I might agree.

Gibbs' only concern was winning right now, so much so that he mortgaged the team's future to do it. A 2nd for Portis, a 3rd for Brunell, a 3rd and 4th for Duckett, a 3rd and a 4th for Lloyd ...
How do you know it was Gibbs and not Snyder and Cerrato? Why does the blame go to Gibbs. Are you guys that pissed? Pick on George Allen or Jack Pardee or something else.
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How do you know it was Gibbs and not Snyder and Cerrato? Why does the blame go to Gibbs. Are you guys that pissed? Pick on George Allen or Jack Pardee.
I would not call it blame, I am just pointing out why we did not have Linemen drafted. I look at Gibbs second stint as fairly successful. Two playoff appearances made me very happy, considering we had only been to one since he left.
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How do you know it was Gibbs and not Snyder and Cerrato? Why does the blame go to Gibbs. Are you guys that pissed? Pick on George Allen or Jack Pardee or something else.
We don't know for a fact that was Gibbs or Snyder or Cerrato....but whatever, back to the discussion ok?
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How do you know it was Gibbs and not Snyder and Cerrato? Why does the blame go to Gibbs. Are you guys that pissed? Pick on George Allen or Jack Pardee or something else.
Gibbs was team president.

Look, I love the guy for what he did, 1.0 and 2.0, but it's clear he wasn't concerned about building the team for the future. His one and only objective was to start winning the day he came in, and draft picks were his currency.
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