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Old 09-22-2009, 09:54 AM   #16
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Re: Will JC Get a Contract Extension From His Stats or Playoff Berth?

Irish isnt a fan of JC to begin with, so he will always see it his way.

The truth is until JC plays with another coach/org we will not be able to see if it Zorns fault or Campbells. Both variables will continue to get confounded.
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:58 AM   #17
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Irish isnt a fan of JC to begin with, so he will always see it his way.

The truth is until JC plays with another coach/org we will not be able to see if it Zorns fault or Campbells. Both variables will continue to get confounded.
Exactly...to a somewhat unbiased person (which I am not) right now, Campbell looks like a pretty good QB. After the Rams game, the #1 thing people were complaining about, was the playcalling by Zorn. If this were to continue, the team gets an average record but JC puts up good stats with solid play, he might get canned here but he'll sign somewhere else.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:07 AM   #18
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Re: Will JC Get a Contract Extension From His Stats or Playoff Berth?

I agree firstdown, Gibbs has a huge impact on JC's mentality. But I still think Zorn has the reins on JC real tight.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:18 AM   #19
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Re: Will JC Get a Contract Extension From His Stats or Playoff Berth?

Right now, its highly unlikely JC voluntarily stays on as QB next year. Zorn will definitely be fired by the end of the season and Campbell isnt going to want to stick around to learn a new system every 2 years. If Shanahan or Holmgren becomes HC and promises to keep the same offensive system... then MAYBE we can convince him to stay. But thats the only way I can see it happening.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:19 AM   #20
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Yes but in the end, Campbell comes out with a good statistical game, and Zorn comes out like he has no balls in the RZ. If what you say is true, Zorn has a big problem and he needs to figure out how to minimize JC's weaknesses and win games, because like I said he's the one looking bad right now, not Campbell.
I agree Zorn looks bad and I'm sure he knows he looks bad. I'm also sure Zorn doesnt care about JC's stats as long as the team wins so all involved will continue to work to maximize the opportunity to win.
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I think Zorn's calls the plays to minimize JC's weakness at QB and like you said, right now he looks bad for doing it.
I dont think Zorn is psychic, he doesnt have a "crystal ball" on the sidelines. He is an idiot if this is the way he wants to coach, he will never be successful, and neither will Campbell. Why not open up the playbook, call your damn plays, and we will find out if JC sinks or swims. Right now JC looks capable, and the plays(especially in the redzone) look questionable. Take off the handcuffs and lets see if the guy can play quarterback, otherwise its just Zorns best guess of what he thinks JC can handle.

I prefer a game manager, not the gunslinger(Cutler, Romo) so Im hoping that he continues to progress. JC has all the talent in the world, Im not sure why Zorn doesnt feel he cant "handle" whatever he wants to throw at him. I really dont buy this reasoning, I feel like Zorn is just over his head and not a very good playcaller.

In the end, its about wins/losses....all the stats in the world wont matter.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:38 AM   #22
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Re: Will JC Get a Contract Extension From His Stats or Playoff Berth?

On espn it has that with JC as the starter, our offense avg's 1.74 td's a game. This has to change for him to stay.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:42 AM   #23
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What makes you say that right now? Because the only thing that Zorn's playcalling is doing is making Zorn look bad. I think if JC gets good stats but not that many Ws, that will be fine for him b/c his stats will land him a new contract somewhere else. I think now more than ever, Zorn is depending on JC to do well and get the Ws for the sake of his job.



Well DS doesn't want a game manager because he wants to win now...but like I said earlier, if the team win, that won't matter.
Did you ever think that maybe Zorn is calling plays that he thinks Campbell can execute and he doesn't call plays that Campbell hasn't been able to grasp?
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Did you ever think that maybe Zorn is calling plays that he thinks Campbell can execute and he doesn't call plays that Campbell hasn't been able to grasp?
He thinks, he thinks, he thinks.....bottom line is he doesnt KNOW anything! Roll the dice, if the guy falls on his face, we know what the next step will be. The way this is unfolding, neither will be here next year and we are starting over AGAIN!
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Did you ever think that maybe Zorn is calling plays that he thinks Campbell can execute and he doesn't call plays that Campbell hasn't been able to grasp?
Well that's on Zorn then. His first responsibility when he came here was to develop Campbell. And if he couldn't, he shouldn't have been so vocal about keeping him there this past offseason
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His stats should do it for him even if we don't make the playoffs (we will).

Here's how he compares to the coveted offseason QB and draft pick:

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post593004 (can WE now start a countdown to a new coach and qb)
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He thinks, he thinks, he thinks.....bottom line is he doesnt KNOW anything! Roll the dice, if the guy falls on his face, we know what the next step will be. The way this is unfolding, neither will be here next year and we are starting over AGAIN!
The dice has been rolled. Next year, no Campbell as starter. Zorn will still be the HC. Remember, Zorn inherited Campbell.
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If you throw it all on Zorn then you also need to add Gibbs to that list.
I understand your reasoning, but I disagree. Gibbs "guy" was Brunell, and Campbell should be far more seasoned by now. Zorn came in as the "QB guru", its how he became known as a coach, and was how he got the job. He has had two seasons to work with him, so the excuses are a little late IMO. I feel like the whole "he isnt able to call plays because JC cant handle them" excuse is crap.
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Old 09-22-2009, 11:29 AM   #29
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What!!!! Gibbs traded up in the draft to get JC.
But didnt play him until he was on the way out the door. Im not holding JC's feet to the fire when he was a rookie, or 1st year QB.
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Re: Will JC Get a Contract Extension From His Stats or Playoff Berth?

I have been a consistent Campbell supporter, very much so, but I was watching the Shortcut of the Jacksonville game last night and I had this revelation. Jason Campbell is David Garrard, David Garrard is Jason Campbell. Both are statistically accurate passers, and neither has ever thrown a ton of TDs or INTs. Neither is a great timing and anticipation passer, but they can hit throw when players are open. Campbell probably has superior arm strength, but they can both make NFL throws. Neither has tremendous pocket awareness and their lack of timing and anticipation leads them to hold the ball too long at times. You can certainly win with either quarterback, especially if you have a strong running game, but neither will carry a team. They will put up workman like statistics, and even have flashes at times, but their upside is ultimately limited.

Jacksonville went ahead and gave Garrard a big new deal after 2007 and he has been an adequate player since that time. Given a strong run game and good defense he will win games, absent that he will not. I think that is exactly what we have with Campbell. I think both of them of an upside potential of 3,600-3,800 yards with 15-18 touchdowns. That is better than what a lot of NFL teams have at the position, but probably not enough to win championships without a dominant defense, which the Redskins do not have.
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