Coming from a Ledge Near You: the Redskins-Rams Offensive Review

SBXVII · 09-23-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

By organizational design, I meant design of the coaching staff. You have 'x' number of offensive assistants, here are the roles, etc. The Redskins are, in many ways, a poorly coached team, which is as much about the assistants on the offense staff as it is about Zorn.

I think if he delegated better, he would appear more organized. But he can only go to his assistants if they are actually worth having on the staff. By organizational design, I'm suggesting that there's legit doubt that we have quality coaching anywhere on the offensive staff. Except the offensive line coach, who if nothing else, is proven.

Part of this problem is he's working with Gibbs staff who has never worked in a WCO before. His first yr was trying to coach the coach's into understanding the WCO and what he was trying to do. Kinda hard to deligate authority when people have no idea what your talking about or what you want. I'll agree he needs to back off a bit and allow his coach's to coach though. JC knows what he has to do technique wise at this point. Let the Asst. QB coach work with him now.

Does anyone have connections with the Redskins or Hixon that could put the bug in his ear that our WR's (especially Moss due to size) need to utilize the curl, come back, and stop and go routes. Teams like the Giants, Dallas, Colts, Miami, etc., etc. understand these routes work in drawing off the defender. for whatever reason it looks like the coach's don't want our WR's doing these things. Probably telling them to just run the route straight out and pray they get seperation for JC to throw to.

I was going to say something like "Oh, now the excuse is JC and Moss have issue." LOL. but your studying of the game looks to be about right. The problem I have is why aren't the coach's fixing this issue? Maybe I'm correct in my theory that a Curl, or come back would get Moss the ball.

and whatever happened to Moss's quick slants we used to use to pick up 2-4 yrds when needed?

BleedBurgundy · 09-23-2009, 10:18 AM

Tripp, thanks for putting the work into these. I look forward to them every week.

Chico23231 · 09-23-2009, 10:55 AM

Great job. I would agree players didnt execute along with bad calling. Everyone is accountable. One thing realllllly bothering me is our new RT Heyer. So far in pass coverage he has been ok. I dont need film to show me Heyer sucks at run blocking. This is a concern, if he cant get that together this year behind Buges coaching, then we need to upgrade.

Zerohero · 09-23-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

Excellent review as always GTripp. El's snag of JC's pass was nothing short of phenomenal. Big Mike may not have the best hands, but he earns his paycheck with his blocking. Interesting to learn what happened on the "almost" safety. I thought that was a little uncharacteristic of the way JC has been playing.

I almost lost it on that almost safety, couldnt understand why he didnt throw it away. Helps seeing the whole picture, i even liked the point of maybe Kelly ran a perfect fade route but if the quarterback isnt expecting it he wont throw it right.

KI Skins Fan · 09-23-2009, 12:00 PM

Thank you for the review, GTripp. I truly enjoyed it.

On the one hand, the statistical analysis you provided here serves to correct any misconceptions that I may have but, on the other hand, I can't help but think that we won't know what type of team we really have until we see a couple of late fourth quarter drives where we need to score touchdowns to win.

I don't know much but I believe that we were a gnat's eyelash away from losing to the Rams at home. If Avery hadn't fumbled on our 5-yard line in the fourth quarter, we may have needed a late touchdown to win. Who knows what might have happened in that situation? We need to find out how this team responds to that type of challenge.

Regardless of anything else, if this team can show me that they can drive to a late touchdown to pull out a game, then I'm going to have a lot more confidence that we can win any game. At that point, I'll worry less about the final score and the statistics, even against the weaker teams, as long as we win.

Mattyk · 09-23-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerohero

I almost lost it on that almost safety, couldnt understand why he didnt throw it away. Helps seeing the whole picture, i even liked the point of maybe Kelly ran a perfect fade route but if the quarterback isnt expecting it he wont throw it right.

He couldn't throw it away or it would have been an automatic safety for grounding. If you see the replay you can see he really doesn't have much time. Looked like Samuels stepped on his foot and by the time he gets reset the defender is all over him.

skinsfan69 · 09-23-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Part of this problem is he's working with Gibbs staff who has never worked in a WCO before. His first yr was trying to coach the coach's into understanding the WCO and what he was trying to do. Kinda hard to deligate authority when people have no idea what your talking about or what you want. I'll agree he needs to back off a bit and allow his coach's to coach though. JC knows what he has to do technique wise at this point. Let the Asst. QB coach work with him now.

Does anyone have connections with the Redskins or Hixon that could put the bug in his ear that our WR's (especially Moss due to size) need to utilize the curl, come back, and stop and go routes. Teams like the Giants, Dallas, Colts, Miami, etc., etc. understand these routes work in drawing off the defender. for whatever reason it looks like the coach's don't want our WR's doing these things. Probably telling them to just run the route straight out and pray they get seperation for JC to throw to.

I was going to say something like "Oh, now the excuse is JC and Moss have issue." LOL. but your studying of the game looks to be about right. The problem I have is why aren't the coach's fixing this issue? Maybe I'm correct in my theory that a Curl, or come back would get Moss the ball.

and whatever happened to Moss's quick slants we used to use to pick up 2-4 yrds when needed?

Who are the Gibbs holdovers? Buges and Hixon? He brought in Shermen Smith, Stump Mitchell and Chris Meidt. Those are 3 guys plus himself and he handpicked the new TE coach. I don't think any of the problems come from Gibbs' holdovers.

skinsfan69 · 09-23-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Put the ball in JC's hands more and let's live or die with him.

Zorn too stubborn but you're 100% correct. It's time to put him back in shotgun and let him go.

RedskinRat · 09-23-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Zorn too stubborn but you're 100% correct. It's time to put him back in shotgun and let him go.

This is the ideal game to have JC let 'er rip!

All the potential noise of the home fans can be extinguished in the First Quarter if we can put up two or three quick TD's from long bombs.

And we can.

Let JC call his own game (under a little Zorn direction).

09-23-2009, 10:18 AM	#17
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,434	Re: Coming from a Ledge Near You: the Redskins-Rams Offensive Review Tripp, thanks for putting the work into these. I look forward to them every week. __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

09-23-2009, 10:55 AM	#18
Chico23231 Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 36 Posts: 7,789	Re: Coming from a Ledge Near You: the Redskins-Rams Offensive Review Great job. I would agree players didnt execute along with bad calling. Everyone is accountable. One thing realllllly bothering me is our new RT Heyer. So far in pass coverage he has been ok. I dont need film to show me Heyer sucks at run blocking. This is a concern, if he cant get that together this year behind Buges coaching, then we need to upgrade.

09-23-2009, 12:00 PM	#20
KI Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: MD Eastern Shore Posts: 1,297	Re: Coming from a Ledge Near You: the Redskins-Rams Offensive Review Thank you for the review, GTripp. I truly enjoyed it. On the one hand, the statistical analysis you provided here serves to correct any misconceptions that I may have but, on the other hand, I can't help but think that we won't know what type of team we really have until we see a couple of late fourth quarter drives where we need to score touchdowns to win. I don't know much but I believe that we were a gnat's eyelash away from losing to the Rams at home. If Avery hadn't fumbled on our 5-yard line in the fourth quarter, we may have needed a late touchdown to win. Who knows what might have happened in that situation? We need to find out how this team responds to that type of challenge. Regardless of anything else, if this team can show me that they can drive to a late touchdown to pull out a game, then I'm going to have a lot more confidence that we can win any game. At that point, I'll worry less about the final score and the statistics, even against the weaker teams, as long as we win.

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