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Old 09-27-2009, 07:57 PM   #46
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Re: This loss could be the best thing to happen to his franchise.

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In my 30 years of being a Redskins fan, this is an all time low. Worse than losing the 1 game to the 1-15 Cowboys. Worse than losing 38-9 in the Super Bowl. Worse than any Spurrier loss or even the Coach 'Robinskie' era. We lost to a team that hadn't won a game in 20 months. Any team would be embarrassed by today's effort and result. It just happens to have happened to us.

So now what? I think Dan Snyder has to now acknowledge that it's not working. This is not just a loss, this is an organizational failure. This is a failure of management, coaching and players. This is an organizational opportunity to reset. If Snyder reacts by firing Zorn tomorrow, that would be a typical, old Snyder knee jerk reaction. I hope he gets the realization that it's not working and takes a few measured steps to correcting the course of the franchise.

What I'd like to see Snyder do tomorrow is start the search immediately for a President of Football Operations. Instead of operating from the sideline up, we need drastic change from the front office down. There are some people available (Casserly, Holmgren, Floyd Reese, Bruce Allen) that Snyder could bring in now and allow them to take the season to evaluate the roster, the front office staff and the coaching staff. He doesn't need to make a move on Zorn or Cerrato. Someone needs to come in and be our Parcells or Joe Banner. We need an experienced front office person to come in and set the direction for the football team. Let them make the decisions on the coach and GM.

Personally, I want Shanahan to be our coach for the next decade because I believe he's a brilliant and progressive offensive mind and one of our major problems for decades is lack of an offensive identity. But, I don't think he'll be any more successful than Turner, Schotty, Spurrier, Gibbs or Zorn under our current structure. Unless we have a strong front office structure and an organizational plan, we'll be wasting Shanahan's talent and more years of our players careers.

I know I'm not breaking any new ground with this post, but this is a crucial point for the future of the Washington Redskins. We can do business as usual or make a dramatic change in the way things are done in order to save this once proud franchise.
I agree with almost everything except that, for me, the Cowboys game was worse. Detroit will beat other people this year, making it better.

The team president idea is a good one. Everyone would feel like they are accountable.

I am not so sure about Shanahan. By the end of his tenure he had the same problem as Zorn: he'd lost his locker room. Zorn had better get his act together ASAP. When the locker room stays lost, the season is over.

Otherwise I say bring on Tony Dungy!
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:00 PM   #47
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If they fire this unqualified, desperate, shit for brains then you are 100000000% correct
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:03 PM   #48
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I missed the game due to work.. it probably saved my tv. I cant believe the Bungles are doing better than us.
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:11 PM   #49
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So guys.... first overall pick in the upcoming draft. Who should WE take? 1 player or trade down and get more picks?
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So guys.... first overall pick in the upcoming draft. Who should WE take? 1 player or trade down and get more picks?

With shit for brains snyder we will probably pick Tebow.

Snyder, if you are listening... I truly hate your grandmother suing, fan gouging, 5 foot 4 ass. There is a special place in hell for people like you and no you aren't tall enough to ride the shuttle. Go jump into the river behind your house.
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:23 PM   #51
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More like crack hoes.

Dude thanks for the laugh!! So true though. Man can I get another hit man I'll #$#2 your !@#@.

This is embarrassing. At least at this point if we can get it turned around in a couple of years maybe we can be the team of the 2010s.
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with shit for brains snyder we will probably pick tebow.

Snyder, if you are listening... I truly hate your grandmother suing, fan gouging, 5 foot 4 ass. There is a special place in hell for people like you and no you aren't tall enough to ride the shuttle. Go jump into the river behind your house.
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:26 PM   #53
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Our defensive backs can play better if they are coached better. We need to draft all OLs in the draft and maybe a linebacker and also pick up a vet LB so we can put Orakpo on the Dline.

Also I would never think I would say this but Doughty needs to play more.
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:35 PM   #54
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Yes, until DS realizes that the FO needs to change it doesn't matter who the coach is for the most part. To go on the road and lose like that to a woeful team just tells me something is wrong. I know that's stating the obvious. I don't know what it is.

Anytime an organization hires a D coord and an O coordinator before their "new" coach something is wrong. It's downright laughable. Not so much the D coordinator but to hire JZ as offensive coordinator prior to hiring a coach is stupid. That tells you right there who "runs" the team and who the players respect.

I don't think they should fire JZ right now, but I do think they need to do some due dilegence. This is VC's guy too, so if JZ goes, VC has got to go. Period.
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Doughty has been playing very well the last couple of weeks. Would you have him start over horton?

We really miss having Sean Springs as our leader of the CBs. The dude was hurt a good bit but he also played very well for us. Seems that these CBs need to find a leader. They are young but not very good.
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More like crack hoes.
I wouldn't say that. Crack whores get something in return.
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So guys.... first overall pick in the upcoming draft. Who should WE take? 1 player or trade down and get more picks?
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Trade down and get more picks but we will draft someone like Tebow because that is Danny wants.
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:24 PM   #58
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I completely agree with the person who made this post..I think I can say with confidence now these 3 things:
Zorn Won't be here next year
Campbell won't be here next year
We won't go to the playoffs this year

You are 3-3 my friend...
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:51 PM   #59
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Re: This loss could be the best thing to happen to his franchise.

i didn't read all of the posts but the opening post is the best thing i have read on this situation for quite some time.

I agree and was thinking as I listened to the loss... I can only hope they will make no rash decisions and set about rebuilding.

not much else to say... espicially as I am leaving for 5 days in michigan in the morning....ouch. talk about bad timing
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:53 PM   #60
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We have a core group to build around, but only that. Moss, Portis, and Cooley are gamers. JC had nice stats, but did not show poise at all. In fact Stafford showed more moxy than JC. Our offensive lined is rather aged and needs to go. Our entire draft should be linemen next season and defensive backs. We have no depth at all at any position, except RB.
You're right about Cooley, but even he doesn't find the endzone very often. Moss decided to show up today. Thanks a lot Santana, season only started three weeks ago. Portis -- God bless him, he takes a pounding, but he isn't a game breaker anymore.

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