Disjointed Coaching Structure

PennSkinsFan · 09-28-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I guess my questions would be

1. Just how good a GM is Holmgren?

2. Is he looking to come back as a GM or a Team President a la Parcells?

3. Will we bring in an experienced offensive play caller to help Zorn out?

4. Will Danny keep his claws out?

Slingin Sammy 33 · 09-28-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I guess my questions would be

1. Just how good a GM is Holmgren?

2. Is he looking to come back as a GM or a Team President a la Parcells?

3. Will we bring in an experienced offensive play caller to help Zorn out?

1. I don't think he would be effective as GM & coach (if he's trying to run the offense). He's got a pretty good coaching tree and was good on the sidelines, so he knows what it takes.

2. I don't care what the title is. The responsibility is: Everything other than signing checks and marketing. Snyder can hold up the Lombardi trophy, chat with Tom Cruise, and make sure all the checks are cashed.

3. No. I think he needs to let Zorn go through the rest of the season and then decide. Zorn should be able to HC and call plays. If not, then Holmgren could hit the sidelines as HC, but delegate the coordinator positions, same as Gibbs. Or he could keep Zorn and bring in an OC, or demote Zorn to OC and bring in a new HC.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 09-28-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

4. Will Danny keep his claws out?

If Snyder can get Holmgren, I'm sure it would be with that understanding.

Skinny Tee · 09-28-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not to digress but Sparano just has me thinking how strong that coaching unit back in 2001 was, or better said how prevalent they are today

Tony Sparano: Head Coach Dolphins
Brian Schottenheimer: OC Jets
Pete Carmichael: OC Saints
Hue Jackson: QB Coach Ravens
Greg Manusky: DC Niners
Mike Trgovac: D Line Coach Packers (just last year was DC for the Panthers)
Jimmy Raye: OC Niners

Bring back Marty!

Seriously...

That's a great idea...If Marty Schott is appointed our GM then we'd know for a FACT that Cerrato would be gone and Snyder wouldn't be influencing our roster.

Schott may be our only hope into knowing for a fact that Snyder's influence on our roster is eliminated.

MARTY FOR PRESIDENT!

PennSkinsFan · 09-28-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If Snyder can get Holmgren, I'm sure it would be with that understanding.

Probably a one year deal then. Kind of like when Schotty was sent packing, you know, it just wasn't fun. His words. It wasn't fun. That is scary stuff.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 09-28-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

Probably a one year deal then. Kind of like when Schotty was sent packing, you know, it just wasn't fun. His words. It wasn't fun. That is scary stuff.

I would hope Snyder has learned from his earlier mistakes in the Pepper Rodgers / Spurrier debacle. He should give Holmgren a 5 year deal and then get out of the way.

SmootSmack · 09-28-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I would hope Snyder has learned from his earlier mistakes in the Pepper Rodgers / Spurrier debacle. He should give Holmgren a 5 year deal and then get out of the way.

Apparently Holmgren is more interested in returning as a head coach than a general manager.

tryfuhl · 09-28-2009, 05:34 PM

I don't think that Smith ever worked with Zorn in Seattle unless you mean played for a check. He was with the Oilers/Titans the whole way through until here right?

Skinny Tee · 09-28-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I don't think that Smith ever worked with Zorn in Seattle unless you mean played for a check. He was with the Oilers/Titans the whole way through until here right?

Redskins.com
"Prior to joining the Redskins, Smith spent 13 seasons as running backs coach with the Tennessee Titans (1995-2007). He also held the title of assistant head coach the last two seasons."

You're right. I took the Seattle part from it and attributed it to Zorn because of their previous playing relation.

He did come from the Titans as a RB coach but was still brought in through Zorn.

JWsleep · 09-28-2009, 05:51 PM

I don't know about all this--are other staffs less "disjointed" in the sense of the first post?

Hard to know if this matters except by comparison to successful staffs.

MTK · 09-28-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

I don't know about all this--are other staffs less "disjointed" in the sense of the first post?

Hard to know if this matters except by comparison to successful staffs.

I think you would see similar things if you picked apart other staffs.

Not every coach on every staff falls from the same tree. Guys may not have worked together, but there are definitely "connections" with guys.

Skinny Tee · 09-28-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you would see similar things if you picked apart other staffs.

Not every coach on every staff falls from the same tree. Guys may not have worked together, but there are definitely "connections" with guys.

It's disjointed in that here are the names of the people who brought on the current coaching staff:

Vinny Cerrato
Joe Gibbs
Gregg Williams
Jim Zorn

4 different people have brought in the current staff. Of those guys only 2 remain...both of which have no previous head coaching experience.

My contention is that there is a lack of a true leader in the coaching ranks. Blache operates apart from the offense and Zorn doesn't even overlook or contribute anything to the defensive players.

The only person right now that at least oversees all aspects is Vinny Cerrato. I think we're seeing the effects of not having a football coach in charge of all aspects of the team.

Dirtbag59 · 09-28-2009, 06:49 PM

Bring in Eric DeCosta and let him choose the coach. So long as it's not someone from the Belicheck coaching tree I think we'll be fine.

MTK · 09-28-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

It's disjointed in that here are the names of the people who brought on the current coaching staff:

Vinny Cerrato
Joe Gibbs
Gregg Williams
Jim Zorn

4 different people have brought in the current staff. Of those guys only 2 remain...both of which have no previous head coaching experience.

My contention is that there is a lack of a true leader in the coaching ranks. Blache operates apart from the offense and Zorn doesn't even overlook or contribute anything to the defensive players.

The only person right now that at least oversees all aspects is Vinny Cerrato. I think we're seeing the effects of not having a football coach in charge of all aspects of the team.

Again, I'd prefer to see how other staffs shake out before I make any hard conclusions about the Skins setup. You're taking one staff and putting it under the microscope and assuming this is the only staff in the league built this way.

It's certainly not uncommon for staffs to have holdovers from previous ones.

SmootSmack · 09-28-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

It's disjointed in that here are the names of the people who brought on the current coaching staff:

Vinny Cerrato
Joe Gibbs
Gregg Williams
Jim Zorn

4 different people have brought in the current staff. Of those guys only 2 remain...both of which have no previous head coaching experience.

My contention is that there is a lack of a true leader in the coaching ranks. Blache operates apart from the offense and Zorn doesn't even overlook or contribute anything to the defensive players.

The only person right now that at least oversees all aspects is Vinny Cerrato. I think we're seeing the effects of not having a football coach in charge of all aspects of the team.

You make it sound like Zorn and Blache don't discuss defensive game plans, which is 100% not true

But Matty is right, you're basically putting this staff under the microscope and making assumptions about the rest of the league

09-28-2009, 05:34 PM	#23
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Posts: 12,514	Re: Disjointed Coaching Structure I don't think that Smith ever worked with Zorn in Seattle unless you mean played for a check. He was with the Oilers/Titans the whole way through until here right?

09-28-2009, 05:51 PM	#25
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,684	Re: Disjointed Coaching Structure I don't know about all this--are other staffs less "disjointed" in the sense of the first post? Hard to know if this matters except by comparison to successful staffs. __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-28-2009, 06:49 PM	#28
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Posts: 14,750	Re: Disjointed Coaching Structure Bring in Eric DeCosta and let him choose the coach. So long as it's not someone from the Belicheck coaching tree I think we'll be fine. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

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