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Old 09-29-2009, 11:09 AM   #151
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All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.
Throwing TD's is also a function of the playcalling and execution in the RZ. He's had at least 2 TD passes dropped so far.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:11 AM   #152
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All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.
See, I'd be ok with the JC rants if he was putting up JaMarcus Russell or Jake Delhomme numbers. But until that happens, people just need to calm down with the "Campbell is the the only problem" rants.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:13 AM   #153
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Bottomline is- this team sucks right now, including Campbell. It all starts with the coach and the qb.

The numbers don't tell the entire truth- Campbell is very inconsistent and very unreliable at crucial times.
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Throwing TD's is also a function of the playcalling and execution in the RZ. He's had at least 2 TD passes dropped so far.
Your correct. Earlier in this thread I posted the 6 TDs that were left on the field that weren't JC's fault. People jsut ant to hate. Let them hate. They usually throw out generally unfounded statements and old points on things which JC has improved on. Even if he did get tds at garbage time in the game. Do you realize he is calling all the plays on those drives. Zorn said it himself. Maybe he should call more. But let people tell it JC is too stupid to call his own plays. But he did and when he does we score. No matter what time of the game it is. If he was so horrible he wouldn't be able to do that IMO.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:21 AM   #155
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Your correct. Earlier in this thread I posted the 6 TDs that were left on the field that weren't JC's fault. People jsut ant to hate. Let them hate. They usually throw out generally unfounded statements and old points on things which JC has improved on. Even if he did get tds at garbage time in the game. Do you realize he is calling all the plays on those drives. Zorn said it himself. Maybe he should call more. But let people tell it JC is too stupid to call his own plays. But he did and when he does we score. No matter what time of the game it is. If he was so horrible he wouldn't be able to do that IMO.
The problem is Campbell doesn't have confidence in Zorn's playcalling and as a result doesn't execute it well. And also at the same time, Zorn doesn't trust Campbell to make plays, so he calls plays to minimize his perceived risks.

Campbell and Zorn just needs to play and coach without fear.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:25 AM   #156
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Campbell and Zorn just needs to play and coach without fear.
No kidding. I keep watching that hook and ladder to the 30 yard line to end the game, and I think "WTF?! You have Mitchell, Thomas, and Kelly (all at least 6'2" with speed) and you can't just send them deep into the end zone and let Campbell use his arm to try to make a play? Instead you dump it to ARE (or whoever it was) and have him lateral it to Betts? Seriously, Betts is the guy you're putting the game's hands into??"

Meanwhile, Favre is throwing it on a rope to the back of the endzone in Minnesota.

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Bottomline is- this team sucks right now, including Campbell. It all starts with the coach and the qb.

The numbers don't tell the entire truth- Campbell is very inconsistent and very unreliable at crucial times.
I don't lay the blame at his feet, but the QB always has to be part of the conversation when an Offense is sputtering. He's average to good. He does some things well - avoids INTs, is accurate when he can drop back and throw, can run effectively when the play breaks down. But is deficient in other areas - inaccurate with deep balls, has trouble with touch passes (seems to throw out of bounds a lot on sideline and fade passes), and is woefully inaccurate when he has to throw on the run or even after moving a couple of steps in any direction, has poor pocket presence, is not elusive, does not take reasonable chances (last in pass interference calls last year).

Bottom line, whatever you think of Campbell, name one other NFL team that would sign him to be their guaranteed, bona fide starter next year if he were to leave the Skins. At best, he would be offered a chance to compete for the starting job on another shitty team. Most teams would sign him to be a backup. Just my opinion.

All that said, he's not the reason the Skins suck, but he's not good enough to compensate for other deficiencies on Offense (poor coaching, average pass blocking, inept running game, etc.).
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:29 AM   #158
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I was hoping that Campbell would play well this year, but so far he isn't. I said earlier in preseason that there's a fine line with playing a good game versus not (playing a good game). The difference is the plays that are made that either win or lose games. He made a few plays that definitely contributed to losing the games with Detroit and New York.
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stop it he stinks,who cares what the numbers say,in big spots he is a dear in headlights enough said,.......
You do realize that JC had the same look when he was undefeated and won a national championship at Auburn, right?

Let's face it, you just don't like the way that JC looks, whatever that means.
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Just curious for those that are convinced the numbers lie, is there anyone else in the top 10 or 15 that is also a complete fraud like JC?

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All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.
I disagree. I think that the "Qb's are judged by wins" saying is faux wisdom, since football is a team game which is not determined by one player. Look at Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. He has an 8-11 record as a starter. But most teams in the NFL would love to have him under center.
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I was hoping that Campbell would play well this year, but so far he isn't. I said earlier in preseason that there's a fine line with playing a good game versus not (playing a good game). The difference is the plays that are made that either win or lose games. He made a few plays that definitely contributed to losing the games with Detroit and New York.
You're obviously NOT watching the games very closely. He is playing very well...unlike most of the team.
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Just curious for those that are convinced the numbers lie, is there anyone else in the top 10 or 15 that is also a complete fraud like JC?

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These numbers aren't lying, JC is playing great...but I'll throw Kolb and Sanchez into the "fraud" or at least overachieving category.
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With a yards per attempt of 7.8, I think we need to reconsider this notion that all JC does is throw dump offs. It's just not the case this year. Plus if you've watched the games at all you know what the deal is. If you're paying attention that is.
I don't think I said that's all he throws but certainly his completion stats are padded by them. I believe I said "short and/or safe passes"...but i think it speaks to the overall point that he racks up yards and completions when we are playing from behind against a soft defense. He stays very conservative or absent for stretches during the early to middle parts of games.

But Matty, let's break it down by the quarter, to make sure we are paying "attention" to detail:
"short passes" denote short throws with YAC as determined by play-by-play commentator

NYG - 1 intermediate pass completed, 1 deep pass completed
1Q: 1-1, 7 yds
1 short pass (7 yds on 3rd and 18); ZERO deep or intermediate passes attempted
2Q: 6-10, 106 yds, 1 INT, 1 FUMBLE for TD;
5 short passes; 1 intermediate pass completed (12yds thru the air, ARE runs for 22 after a broken tackle); ZERO deep passes completed
3Q: 5-7, 37 yds
5 short passes; ZERO deep or intermediate passes attempted
4Q: 6-8, 61 yds, 1TD
5 short passes; 1 deep pass completed for 17yd-TD with 1:37 left in the game

STL - 3 intermediate passes completed; 1 deep completed
1Q: 6-10, 52 yds
5 short passes, 1 intermediate passes (15); ZERO deep passes completed
2Q: 9-15, 96 yds
7 short passes, 1 intermediate pass (15); 1 deep pass to Moss for 21
3Q: 4-5, 47yds
4 short passes, 1 intermediate pass to ARE; ZERO deep passes attemped
4Q: 4-6, 47yds
4 short passes (25yd screen pass to betts); ZERO intermediate or deep balls completed

DET - 3 intermediate passes (2 against prevent), 3 deep passes (1 against prevent)
1Q: 6-8, 80yds <--good first drive
5 short passes (1 Moss ran for 21 after breaking tackle); 1 deep pass to Thomas (18 yds)
2Q: 2-5, 21yd
2 short passes in flat with 5 YAC; ZERO intermediate or deep passes completed
3Q: 4-7, 99 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT
2 short passes, 1 intermediate pass, 1 BEAUTIFUL deep 57yd TD to Moss
4Q: 15-21, 133yds, 1 TD (no huddle offense 8-8 72yds & 4-7 for 48)
12 short passes, 2 intermediate passes, 1 deep pass to moss for 21 yds against prevent defense

TOTAL (thru 3 games): 7 intermediate passes; 5 deep passes...a WHOLE lotta short or conservative throws

I count 57...Look that's the nature of the WCO, i understand, but let's not make Campbell out to be something that he isnt...an elite QB. Just because he has a high completion percentage and a decent amount of passing yards, it does NOT make him a great QB. Sure he has shown improvement from last year but it's not being reflected in the W-L column or TD #'s thus far.

I was just rationalizing the reasons for the deceptive stats. Most of his yards and completions come on passes less than 10 yards. THOSE ARE THE FACTS!
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Old 09-29-2009, 12:02 PM   #165
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Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!

I do not fall into the camp of people that want to oust Campbell. I think he is talented, and more than capable of leading us to the playoffs (but for our old, damaged line). That said, the QB rating metric is off, I believe due to the fact that 2/3 of the TDs he has tossed came in "garbage-ish" time. I know the defenses didn't "want to give up those TDs" but the games were pretty much in hand at that point (yes, I know we could have come back and beaten detroit, but we didn't). Campbell has always been accurate, its his fumbles (which he recovers) and his poor INTs that are killer. That said, I think Jason has a bright future, if we let him grow.
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