Campbell's numbers dont lie

scowan · 10-05-2009, 12:49 PM

During the broadcast yesterday they spotlighted the Redskins receivers and I noticed that other than the big play to Moss, the Skins receivers could not get open to save their lives. Malcom Kelly is the worst. He is a big body, but Man, he can not separate from anyone. The INT that Campbell threw to him, was because he could not beat his man. I have not seen him beat anyone on a fly or post route yet. Crossing routes OK maybe, but I think his lack of catches are because he can't separate himself from the defender.

Paintrain · 10-05-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

You can't say I'm not a true fan, wanting my team to do good for next year. I want us to do bad so we get a high draft pick, and not a mid round pick,which is what I see us getting.

The lack of logic in your logic is illogical. In Week 5 you want us to do poorly so we can get a high draft pick? So, you'd rather root against the team so you can feel validated in doubting the QB than root for them with the risk that you could be wrong. PM me when your book on Fandom 101 is coming out, I want a first edition!

Paintrain · 10-05-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 4 - 18/28 (64.3%), 141 yds, 2 TD, 0 INTS, 100.4 rating, 8 rush yds
TOTAL: 83/129 (64.3%), 901 yds, 8 TD, 5 INT, 89.3 rating, 22 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 4 - 14/27 (51.9%), 138 yds, 0 TD, 3 INT, 27.0 rating, 24 rush yds
TOTAL: 63/110 (57.3%), 744 yds, 4 TD, 5 INT, 71.2 rating, 38 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 4 - 12/22 (54.5%), 170 yds, 2 TD, 3 INT, 70.5 rating, 20 rush yds
TOTAL: 81/124 (65.3%), 963 yds, 5 TD, 5 INT, 85.5 rating, 85 rush yds

Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Campell (963), Cutler (901), Sanchez (744)
TDs = Cutler (8), Campbell (5), Sanchez (4)
INTs = Campbell/Cutler/Sanchez (5 ea)
QB rating = Cutler (89.3), Campbell (85.5), Sanchez (71.2)
Rush yds = Campbell (85), Sanchez(38), Cutler (22)

Campbell, despite tehe bad half in the TB game, is still leading all three QBs in most categories. All QBs have an equal 5 INTs. He has more yards than Cutler and Sanchez, both in the air and on the ground. If he did not have those couple of TDs dropped earlier in the season, he'd be even with Cutler on TDs and ahead on Rating, the only two categories he's not leading. The 3 INTs vs. TB is not typical Campbell play, as he's usually one of the best QBs in the NFL at NOT throwing INTs. That performance will be an anomaly this season and he'll finish with far less INTs thrown than the other two QBs we're comparing. Also, despite a weak-looking stat line, he led all three QBs in production in Week 4. Against the same Lions team, Cambell had 200 MORE YARDS than Cutler.

Thank you for posting this and please keep doing it! While I think it's completely pointless to continue to worry/talk about 2 QB who never were and never will be Redskins, some people refuse to let it go so I'd love to keep shutting them up with facts!

Ruhskins · 10-05-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

The lack of logic in your logic is illogical. In Week 5 you want us to do poorly so we can get a high draft pick? So, you'd rather root against the team so you can feel validated in doubting the QB than root for them with the risk that you could be wrong. PM me when your book on Fandom 101 is coming out, I want a first edition!

That is the logic of a Cowboys fan. He wants us to do poorly so the Boys are not in the basement of the NFC East.

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

You can't say I'm not a true fan, wanting my team to do good for next year. I want us to do bad so we get a high draft pick, and not a mid round pick,which is what I see us getting.

Funny how you conveniently left out that you would want us to use that high draft pick on a QB. So even with your "logic" you want us to get a rookie QB to go along with our aging offensive line. You still don't make any sense to me Cowboys fan.

CRedskinsRule · 10-05-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

You can't say I'm not a true fan, wanting my team to do good for next year. I want us to do bad so we get a high draft pick, and not a mid round pick,which is what I see us getting.

that logic makes sense in weeks 10-16, but right now, we are playing for this year, and in a sense for the future of the team. Don't try to couch your dislike for the current roster/staff in some puffy way. You want the team to fail, because you don't like the qb/hc and various others. I can't imagine calling myself a fan of a team that I want to see lose in week 3 or 4 of a season. That's crazy.

dgack · 10-05-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

The lack of logic in your logic is illogical.

OT, but this quote is sig worthy.

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-05-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by scowan

During the broadcast yesterday they spotlighted the Redskins receivers and I noticed that other than the big play to Moss, the Skins receivers could not get open to save their lives. Malcom Kelly is the worst. He is a big body, but Man, he can not separate from anyone. The INT that Campbell threw to him, was because he could not beat his man. I have not seen him beat anyone on a fly or post route yet. Crossing routes OK maybe, but I think his lack of catches are because he can't separate himself from the defender.

Are you serious? I swear that on every play that the WRs are open and JC is not finding them and decides to just dumb down to the nearest receiver/rb without even noticing the open WRs. Are you sure? [end sarcasm]

Let other people tell it JC never sees the open receivers. They are seeing things the way the Qb sees it behind lineman and having to scramble for his life. Malcom has good hands but it slow. That was the rap on him in college. He should be used more as a 3rd down redzone threat. On one of those picks JC threw when he was trying to go to Malcom on the sidelines. Kelly let a smaller and shorter receiver forcing him to the sideline and out position him for a catch. He stopped his stride and reached forward in a strange way. Not saying the Int was his fault. But he read the ball wrong. He should have kept his stride and timed his jump better. If not he should have knocked the ball away. he is 6-3 with good hands but slow and has bad instincts IMO. Mitchell is around the same height but quicker and positions himself better to jump for the ball. Just my thoughts. If you can look at that play and see how he jumps for the ball. He is not extending and is reaching because he doesn't have that much speed. But like I said its not his fault. But he should have made a better play on the ball or prevented the int.

Mattyk · 10-05-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

You can't say I'm not a true fan, wanting my team to do good for next year. I want us to do bad so we get a high draft pick, and not a mid round pick,which is what I see us getting.

Sorry but you need to turn in your fan card right away. Rooting against your team for a higher pick, in the first quarter of the season no less, is grounds for dismissal.

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-05-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sorry but you need to turn in your fan card right away. Rooting against your team for a higher pick, in the first quarter of the season no less, is grounds for dismissal.

Yes it is!! Oh and he admitted he was really a Colts fan and a Colt fan. Not really a Redskins fan. Maybe you should go on IR like Colt..LMAO

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-05-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'm a Colts fan and a Colt Brennan fan...NOT a COWBOYS fan, I hate them and Jessica Simpson, quit saying that, why can't you all atleast have the decentcy to call me a Eagles or Giants fan, then I wouldn't be as mad

skinsfan69 · 10-05-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 4 - 18/28 (64.3%), 141 yds, 2 TD, 0 INTS, 100.4 rating, 8 rush yds
TOTAL: 83/129 (64.3%), 901 yds, 8 TD, 5 INT, 89.3 rating, 22 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 4 - 14/27 (51.9%), 138 yds, 0 TD, 3 INT, 27.0 rating, 24 rush yds
TOTAL: 63/110 (57.3%), 744 yds, 4 TD, 5 INT, 71.2 rating, 38 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 4 - 12/22 (54.5%), 170 yds, 2 TD, 3 INT, 70.5 rating, 20 rush yds
TOTAL: 81/124 (65.3%), 963 yds, 5 TD, 5 INT, 85.5 rating, 85 rush yds

Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Campell (963), Cutler (901), Sanchez (744)
TDs = Cutler (8), Campbell (5), Sanchez (4)
INTs = Campbell/Cutler/Sanchez (5 ea)
QB rating = Cutler (89.3), Campbell (85.5), Sanchez (71.2)
Rush yds = Campbell (85), Sanchez(38), Cutler (22)

Campbell, despite tehe bad half in the TB game, is still leading all three QBs in most categories. All QBs have an equal 5 INTs. He has more yards than Cutler and Sanchez, both in the air and on the ground. If he did not have those couple of TDs dropped earlier in the season, he'd be even with Cutler on TDs and ahead on Rating, the only two categories he's not leading. The 3 INTs vs. TB is not typical Campbell play, as he's usually one of the best QBs in the NFL at NOT throwing INTs. That performance will be an anomaly this season and he'll finish with far less INTs thrown than the other two QBs we're comparing. Also, despite a weak-looking stat line, he led all three QBs in production in Week 4. Against the same Lions team, Cambell had 200 MORE YARDS than Cutler.

Does any of this stuff really matter? Jay Cutler is the best QB out of the 3 and I don't need stats to tell me that. I mean who are Cutler's wr's? His wr's are worse than ours. Sanchez is a freakin rookie so I expect JC to play better. JC forced some balls yesterday. BIG DEAL. I'm kinda glad that he's taking more chances. Hopefully on plays like the Kelly INT our WR's will FIGHT FOR THE BALL. Is it me or does Kelly suck at the lob passes.

Monkeydad · 10-05-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Does any of this stuff really matter? Jay Cutler is the best QB out of the 3 and I don't need stats to tell me that. I mean who are Cutler's wr's? His wr's are worse than ours. Sanchez is a freakin rookie so I expect JC to play better. JC forced some balls yesterday. BIG DEAL. I'm kinda glad that he's taking more chances. Hopefully on plays like the Kelly INT our WR's will FIGHT FOR THE BALL. Is it me or does Kelly suck at the lob passes.

Cutler is better because your heart tells you so? Nice.

dgack · 10-05-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

Cutler is better because your heart tells you so? Nice.

No, he's better than Campbell because he's won exactly one more game than Jason in his pro quarterbacking career.

BTW, I'm totally using this metric in the offseason. Let's begin the "Orakpo and Fletcher for Kyle Orton" trade scenarios now.

Orton is a proven winner, and as everyone knows, if we just had a proven winning QB here we'd be a Super Bowl contender.

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-05-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Does any of this stuff really matter? Jay Cutler is the best QB out of the 3 and I don't need stats to tell me that. I mean who are Cutler's wr's? His wr's are worse than ours. Sanchez is a freakin rookie so I expect JC to play better. JC forced some balls yesterday. BIG DEAL. I'm kinda glad that he's taking more chances. Hopefully on plays like the Kelly INT our WR's will FIGHT FOR THE BALL. Is it me or does Kelly suck at the lob passes.

I totally respect this post!! Yes Kelly does. He is at best a possession receiver. But he is not a second recevier. Sorry guys but neither is Thomas. Who does that leave us with? ARE and Mitchell? But ARE is better in the slot from what I've heard. So why not use Mitchell as the no. 2 receiver? Why because he wasn't drafted in the second round like the other two busts. They have showed nothing. No more than they did last year. Very sad. The analysis before the season started was that one of them needs to step up for us to be successful. Eh em!! But neither has. Draw your own conclusions on that statement. NO one is bringing that point up as frequently as they are hating on JC. I wouldn't trust those two either. Put Thomas ass on punts sometimes and move Mitchell up to the 2nd spot. Or is that too far fetched? All he did was catch touchdowns this preseason. He would have definitely made a better play on that ball than Kelly. While we are on the subject of changing depth charts. Let Mason run the ball as CP's back up. People say CP is done. But Betts at 30 is really done (is he even averaging 1 yard per carry?). He offers nothing unique to the team. AT ALL!!!!

JLee9718 · 10-05-2009, 02:38 PM

Brady and Fahrve win games at the last second, as time runs out. Campbell would do a much better job if we had better blocking by the offensive line. Also, if we could run the ball better, and I'm thinking about 4th and 1 at the goal line, teams wouldn't concentrate so much on Jason's passing game. Really, the running game needs to improve, and it would if we had a better offensive line! (Duh!)

10-05-2009, 12:49 PM	#601
scowan The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KY Age: 45 Posts: 1,527	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie During the broadcast yesterday they spotlighted the Redskins receivers and I noticed that other than the big play to Moss, the Skins receivers could not get open to save their lives. Malcom Kelly is the worst. He is a big body, but Man, he can not separate from anyone. The INT that Campbell threw to him, was because he could not beat his man. I have not seen him beat anyone on a fly or post route yet. Crossing routes OK maybe, but I think his lack of catches are because he can't separate himself from the defender.

10-05-2009, 02:38 PM	#615
JLee9718 Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 572	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie Brady and Fahrve win games at the last second, as time runs out. Campbell would do a much better job if we had better blocking by the offensive line. Also, if we could run the ball better, and I'm thinking about 4th and 1 at the goal line, teams wouldn't concentrate so much on Jason's passing game. Really, the running game needs to improve, and it would if we had a better offensive line! (Duh!)

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