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Old 10-19-2009, 11:41 AM   #691
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I just think it's worth giving TC a real shot. Give him a full week of snaps and prep and let's see if he can get things going. The season is sinking fast. Time to try something, anything to get the offense going. It's simply not working with JC.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:49 AM   #692
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I just think it's worth giving TC a real shot. Give him a full week of snaps and prep and let's see if he can get things going. The season is sinking fast. Time to try something, anything to get the offense going. It's simply not working with JC.
I agree. Collins didnt look great but he hadnt taken a snap in a game in a long time and he hadnt prepared as a starter. Without that prep he played about the same as JC who has been the starter since JZ arrived. I dont see how playing him can hurt. He's not any kind of long term solution beyond this year but maybe with some prep he can provide some kind of spark.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:53 AM   #693
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Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie

I have never been a big fan of looking at stats to determine a player's worth. Stats tell only part of the story and at the end of ther day the only stats that matter in the NFL are W's and L's.
I personally think JC is an NFL caliber qb capable of playing winning football. But he is a qb, which means when the team wins he will get more credit than he deserves, and when they lose he will take more blame than he deserves. Right now the only stat that matters is 2-4. Its not all his fault though.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:59 AM   #694
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I just think it's worth giving TC a real shot. Give him a full week of snaps and prep and let's see if he can get things going. The season is sinking fast. Time to try something, anything to get the offense going. It's simply not working with JC.
It really doesn't matter. No QB has a chance with our piss poor O-line. No way to sugarcoat it. The O-Line is garbage. Not one quality player. Campbell or Collins, they don't have time to do anything.

How would Brett Favre be doing behind our line?

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Old 10-19-2009, 12:25 PM   #695
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I just think it's worth giving TC a real shot. Give him a full week of snaps and prep and let's see if he can get things going. The season is sinking fast. Time to try something, anything to get the offense going. It's simply not working with JC.
I'd like to see JC play a couple of games with someone other than Zorn calling the plays. That will give us a pretty clear indication of the impact that Zorn's play calling had on Campbell. I don't really see the point in playing Collins. We know exactly who he is. He's an old, career backup. If Brennan were healthy, I'd be more inclined to give him some time (I can't believe I just typed that) but there's zero point in starting Collins now or anytime this season.
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I'd like to see JC play a couple of games with someone other than Zorn calling the plays. That will give us a pretty clear indication of the impact that Zorn's play calling had on Campbell. I don't really see the point in playing Collins. We know exactly who he is. He's an old, career backup. If Brennan were healthy, I'd be more inclined to give him some time (I can't believe I just typed that) but there's zero point in starting Collins now or anytime this season.
I wonder if Lewis will make the call of who starts.
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I wonder if Lewis will make the call of who starts.
No Zorn just said in his press conf. that he will make that decision.
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:48 PM   #698
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Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie

I just ran some numbers on the team's average passer rating over the past two decades, and I think some of you may be surprised how it shakes out.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...-qbs-name.html (The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!")

Yes, I know many will say that stats don't tell the whole story, and they aren't intended to. That said, there is no reason we shouldn't be a 9-7 ball club or better with Jason Campbell and the numbers he is putting up.
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Campbell's most important number is 4-10 over his past 14 starts. Time to try something different.
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Why are all the former Campbell-supporters suddenly against him now? His play now isn't any worse as it was last year or the year before when we were saying he wasn't the right QB for this team. His completion percentage has actually IMPROVED a little every year. So what's changed your minds about Campbell? Or is it just a case of not seeing the improvement you were hoping for?
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I just ran some numbers on the team's average passer rating over the past two decades, and I think some of you may be surprised how it shakes out.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...-qbs-name.html (The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!")

Yes, I know many will say that stats don't tell the whole story, and they aren't intended to. That said, there is no reason we shouldn't be a 9-7 ball club or better with Jason Campbell and the numbers he is putting up.
But what numbers is he putting up? His rating is good but he completes passes for very little yardage which means he throws a bunch of dink passes that skews his rating for the better.
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Why are all the former Campbell-supporters suddenly against him now? His play now isn't any worse as it was last year or the year before when we were saying he wasn't the right QB for this team. His completion percentage has actually IMPROVED a little every year. So what's changed your minds about Campbell? Or is it just a case of not seeing the improvement you were hoping for?
I'm a Campbell supporter that hasn't turned on him but I am disappointed in what I've seen from him this year. I expected him to be much, much more productive when given the opportunities. I'm really starting to fear he's been Ramsey-fied. He's not playing QB, he's playing the role of a robot QB trying to be perfect and please his coach. He needs a major dose of 'f**k it' and just go out and play.
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But what numbers is he putting up? His rating is good but he completes passes for very little yardage which means he throws a bunch of dink passes that skews his rating for the better.
As I pointed out last week, he's got a higher YPA than Brady, McNabb, Cutler, Warner & Palmer. Seriously, it's sad how misinformed his detractors are.
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As I pointed out last week, he's got a higher YPA than Brady, McNabb, Cutler, Warner & Palmer. Seriously, it's sad how misinformed his detractors are.
Those players you mention throw down the field and miss more often than a 2 yard dink passer. Those misses are zeros in calculating the average and those zeros bring down the average. Like others have said, the numbers dont tell the whole story because to insinuate that JC is even close to those QBs you mentioned is insane.
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I'm a Campbell supporter that hasn't turned on him but I am disappointed in what I've seen from him this year. I expected him to be much, much more productive when given the opportunities. I'm really starting to fear he's been Ramsey-fied. He's not playing QB, he's playing the role of a robot QB trying to be perfect and please his coach. He needs a major dose of 'f**k it' and just go out and play.
I think, if we had stuck with the offense Gibbs drafted Campbell for, and we had given a top 10 offensive line, he could have become a really good QB in the NFL, perhaps even a franchise QB (although not an elite guy like Brady or Manning). However, those weren't the cards he was dealt. At the point Cerrato decided to hire Jim Zorn as head coach, it ruined Campbells chances of having becoming a franchise QB. Campbell was a square peg. the WCO is his round hole. It NEVER had a good chance of working. I don't know why so many people put faith in it.
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