Campbell's numbers dont lie

over the mountain · 10-26-2009, 11:44 AM

the sad part is JC isnt even throwing it on time when his first read receiver is open open.

ive posted on here a couple times that imo JC needs his first read to be open open for any passing play over 10 yds to click. apparently (atleast from this small sampling) shows that even when zorn calls a perfect play, the reciever runs a good route and JCs first read is open, he still doesnt get the ball out on time.

warriorzpath · 10-26-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by over the mountain

the sad part is JC isnt even throwing it on time when his first read receiver is open open.

ive posted on here a couple times that imo JC needs his first read to be open open for any passing play over 10 yds to click. apparently (atleast from this small sampling) shows that even when zorn calls a perfect play, the reciever runs a good route and JCs first read is open, he still doesnt get the ball out on time.

I'm starting to think more and more that Campbell was the player that teammates, like Portis and Cooley, were calling out for not doing his job - after the first couple games of the season.

redsk1 · 10-26-2009, 11:51 AM

Yes, whether or not CC is a good GM or not, you've got to agree that his analysis on CBS is "super smart."

I think a team could do alot worse than CC as their GM. I'd like to go younger for our GM, but just sayin.

Trample the Elderly · 10-26-2009, 11:53 AM

Campbell? We've a QB named Campbell? Oh yeah, that guy. He's still playing football?

Mattyk · 10-26-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I'm starting to think more and more that Campbell was the player that teammates, like Portis and Cooley, were calling out for not doing his job - after the first couple games of the season.

I kinda doubt it. Despite his struggles he's a hard worker and has the respect of his teammates. Hell, he and Cooley are practically best friends off the field, so I can't see Cooley calling him out.

Trample the Elderly · 10-26-2009, 11:59 AM

If we've got a guy named Campbell, they need to put him in. The guy they've got playing now isn't getting it done. Hey wait . . . . yeah, my bad.

warriorzpath · 10-26-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I kinda doubt it. Despite his struggles he's a hard worker and has the respect of his teammates. Hell, he and Cooley are practically best friends off the field, so I can't see Cooley calling him out.

I can see why Campbell has friends on this team, but I'm not so sure about the respect part of this. They all watch, analyze, and discuss film together, so they know who's doing well or not. As a teammate, if my quarterback was the reason we weren't winning - I wouldn't respect him - even if he was my best friend.

Mattyk · 10-26-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I can see why Campbell has friends on this team, but I'm not so sure about the respect part of this. They all watch, analyze, and discuss film together, so they know who's doing well or not. As a a teammate, if my quarterback was the reason we weren't winning - I wouldn't respect him - even if he was my best friend.

I don't believe there are players walking around thinking that JC is the sole reason they aren't winning.

warriorzpath · 10-26-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't believe there are players walking around thinking that JC is the sole reason they aren't winning.

He isn't the sole reason why, but when they're watching film - Zorn has had to say the same things that Casserly just said in that video in front of the whole team. He can sugarcoat it all he wants in front of everyone but if he's correcting Campbell with a number of plays, then that gets into the minds of the players.

I'm just saying there's really no way around that.

SouperMeister · 10-26-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by over the mountain

YouTube - Charlie Casserly Says Jason Campbell Is "Too Indecisive"

charlie casserly's break down of JC . . . sounds like alot of us on here. the defense of JC is becoming indefensible imo.

go skins!!

I've been one of the Campbell defenders, but wow, film doesn't lie. I trust film more than I trust numbers, and many of the instances that Casserly showed were EASY throws if the ball comes out on time. Perhaps Campbell will end up as a backup for a team running a Coryell-based downfield attack.

Mattyk · 10-26-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

He isn't the sole reason why, but when they're watching film - Zorn has had to say the same things that Casserly just said in that video in front of the whole team. He can sugarcoat it all he wants in front of everyone but if he's correcting Campbell with a number of plays, then that gets into the minds of the players.

I'm just saying there's really no way around that.

Yeah I just don't think you always "lose respect" for someone if they aren't playing well.

By all accounts JC works hard on and off the field, so I'm sure he has a basic level of respect from his teammates for that. Sure he's not playing well and of course you have to start by looking at his play, but there are a bunch of other factors at work as well that is contributing to his poor play. It's not as easy as just pointing the finger at him alone.

CultBrennan59 · 10-26-2009, 12:23 PM

What I've said about Campbell all along is just now getting noticed by the rest of the people on this thread and the great charley casserly...It's about time people realize he is NOT the answer.

diehardskin2982 · 10-26-2009, 12:37 PM

Understanding the issues with Campbell why hasn't Vinny gone after Jeff Garcia who would be obvious fit?

Monkeydad · 10-26-2009, 12:42 PM

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OAKLAND, Calif. -- Mark Sanchez had to apologize for his sideline demeanor again. This time, he was hot-dogging it. Literally.

Sanchez shook off the worst start of his young career by running for one touchdown and throwing for another, before taking time to munch on a snack in the closing minutes of a 38-0 victory over the Oakland Raiders on Sunday.

Sanchez was criticized last week for looking dejected on the sideline while throwing five interceptions in an overtime loss to Buffalo. He was happy enough after this performance that he was caught by television cameras trying to discretely eat a hot dog at the end of the blowout.

"I want to apologize for that," he said. "I wasn't feeling very good and didn't eat much before the game, so I was feeling a little queasy. Toward the end of the game, I probably should have eaten one of those bars or something, but someone offered [a hot dog], so I grabbed it and tried to be discreet about it, but obviously not discreet enough. So I shouldn't have done that, and it won't happen again."

Paintrain · 10-26-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by over the mountain

the sad part is JC isnt even throwing it on time when his first read receiver is open open.

ive posted on here a couple times that imo JC needs his first read to be open open for any passing play over 10 yds to click. apparently (atleast from this small sampling) shows that even when zorn calls a perfect play, the reciever runs a good route and JCs first read is open, he still doesnt get the ball out on time.

I've been a big JC supporter on this site but watching that video it really cements one of the criticisms that I've had which is that he's way too robotic. You can almost see him thinking too much thru his reads and not, as Charley said, trusting his eyes. Even on some of his worst missed throws (the poorly thrown fades to Kelly vs. St. Louis and TB, the missed pass to Moss across the middle vs. KC) it's almost like he's fighting against himself to make throws because he's not sure. It'd be a shame to see his tools go to waste but I am afraid that's what is going to happen for him in DC.

10-26-2009, 11:44 AM	#796
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: baltimore Posts: 2,670	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie the sad part is JC isnt even throwing it on time when his first read receiver is open open. ive posted on here a couple times that imo JC needs his first read to be open open for any passing play over 10 yds to click. apparently (atleast from this small sampling) shows that even when zorn calls a perfect play, the reciever runs a good route and JCs first read is open, he still doesnt get the ball out on time. __________________ Fails to lock onto the defender, at times, preferring to violently shove his target to the ground and look for others.

10-26-2009, 11:51 AM	#798
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie Yes, whether or not CC is a good GM or not, you've got to agree that his analysis on CBS is "super smart." I think a team could do alot worse than CC as their GM. I'd like to go younger for our GM, but just sayin.

10-26-2009, 11:53 AM	#799
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 35 Posts: 2,906	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie Campbell? We've a QB named Campbell? Oh yeah, that guy. He's still playing football? __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

10-26-2009, 11:59 AM	#801
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 35 Posts: 2,906	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie If we've got a guy named Campbell, they need to put him in. The guy they've got playing now isn't getting it done. Hey wait . . . . yeah, my bad. __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

10-26-2009, 12:23 PM	#807
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,592	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie What I've said about Campbell all along is just now getting noticed by the rest of the people on this thread and the great charley casserly...It's about time people realize he is NOT the answer.

10-26-2009, 12:37 PM	#808
diehardskin2982 What will Shanny do this offseason? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,924	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie Understanding the issues with Campbell why hasn't Vinny gone after Jeff Garcia who would be obvious fit? __________________ Let's win games now...PLEASE

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