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Old 10-27-2009, 01:25 AM   #826
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You guys are funny. Look at the league, ever successful QB, except Flacco and Ryan have been in the same Offensive system for long periods of time. Changing everything every year has not worked yet nor will it ever. The longer the QB is in the same system the more successful he is...look it up.
Well our coach will most likely change, so there goes continuity. New coach will mean new QB.
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Old 10-27-2009, 01:28 AM   #827
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You guys are funny. Look at the league, ever successful QB, except Flacco and Ryan have been in the same Offensive system for long periods of time. Changing everything every year has not worked yet nor will it ever. The longer the QB is in the same system the more successful he is...look it up.
you're leaving a couple names off of some players having good years less than 3 years in the system

orton, schaub, henne is showing promise but too early to call it,
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Old 10-27-2009, 01:29 AM   #828
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Well our coach will most likely change, so there goes continuity. New coach will mean new QB.
New QB means at least two more years of losing. New QB + learning a new Offense + bad O-Line = New Coach which brings us to our current position again.
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Old 10-27-2009, 01:31 AM   #829
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you're leaving a couple names off of some players having good years less than 3 years in the system

orton, schaub, henne is showing promise but too early to call it,
Yup, Brady and Roethlisberger also come to mind (in their 1st couple of years).
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:03 AM   #830
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I was a JC supporter all the way this season but he has regressed this year. I know his line sucks but he is not the leader you need at the QB position. JC is to laid back and just does not have that take charge approach we need for the offense. Give me a leader at QB that can get in the players ass when they fuk up a play. Our coach even is to soft , we need Gruden to get this team to have a attitude.
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UPDATED stats/assessment...yep, another week!

Cutler:
WK 7 - 26/37 (70.3%), 251 yds, 1 TD, 3 INT, 70.3 rating, 4 rush yds, 0 hot dogs eaten
TOTAL: 136/209 (65.1%), 1,452 yds, 11 TD, 10 INT, 82.9 rating, 60 rush yds, 0 hot dogs eaten

Sanchez:
WK 7 - 9/15 (60.0%), 143 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 114.0 rating, 4 rush yds, 1 hot dog eaten
TOTAL: 91/178 (52.8%), 1,178 yds, 6 TD, 10 INT, 61.5 rating, 54 rush yds, 1 hot dog eaten

Campbell:
WK 7 - 29/43 (67.4%), 284 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.6 rating, 8 rush yds, 0 hot dogs eaten
TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds, 0 hot dogs eaten


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Campbell (1,481) Cutler (1,452) Campbell (1,197), Sanchez (1,178)
TDs = Cutler (11), Campbell (8), Sanchez (6)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (7), Sanchez (10) Cutler (11)
QB rating = Campbell (85.8), Cutler (82.9), Sanchez (61.5)
Rush yds = Campbell (103), Cutler (60), Sanchez(54)


Week 7 Campbell overview:
He literally had no time to throw, was getting pounded all night. Yes he made some mistakes, forced by the pressure but let's examine those mistakes. There were 3 turnovers:

*The INT returned for a TD: On this play, Campbell took a 3-step drop and had defenders and their hands in his face...it was a designed quick slant play with no time to change his mind. 3 steps back and fire. This is a pass that should have been possible with such a quick drop, but the pushback of the line, along with the inability of our offensive line to keep the defenders hands down on such a basic play, doomed the pass. It was batted and picked due to the lack of any blocking by the line. Yes, Campbell threw the pass, no he did not throw a bad pass.

*The fumble on a scramble: Campbell gets the blame for not securing the ball or sliding. He's made some huge runs when plays break down over his career, but with this O-line, he's running for his life on every play. With a competent line, he wouldn't have to scramble and try to avoid sacks all night. He was sacked 6 times, but stepped out of and avoided many more. If Collins or a less mobile QB were in, the Eagles would have reached double-digit sacks. The one play that really impressed me was in the second half when Campbell ducked under a defender that was dropping back literally in step with him...immediately after the snap. Campbell avoided and escaped the defender and found a wide open Devin Thomas, who also made a nice run after the catch to pick up a long first down.

*The fumble on a snap: Rabach is a horrible center, it is as simple as that. He cost us TDs in the past with stupid penalties and mistakes and he hasn't stopped. I noticed all night when we were in the shotgun, which was refreshing to see after watching Zorn under-utilize this formation, Rabach's snaps were usually off. This snap was particularly bad and wide. It's tough to blame Campbell too much as we watched Rabach's play all night. Later in the game, we had the ball on 4th and goal. Shotgun formation was called, but Rabach snapped the ball as if Campbell was under center. Since it was 4th down, even if we fell on the ball, it's a turnover on downs. The worst part about that play, Devin Thomas was wide open, uncovered in the corner of the endzone. All Rabach had to do was get the ball in JC's hands and it was a TD. We would have been able to cut the score to 3 POINTS!

For the night, Campbell finished with 284 yards and 2 TDs, which should have easily been 3 as I just explained. He finished with nearly double the yards as McNabb despite the lack of ANY protection all night and losing his favorite target in Chris Cooley to a broken ankle/foot. You may call the very successful 4th-quarter drives "garbage time", but I disagree. He showed leadership and if not for Rabach, would have brought the Skins back to within 3 points. That's not called "garbage time", that's called a comeback. Philly was still playing their starters, even McNabb despite the pressure and hits our defense was getting on him, this was still a competitive game.

I was very impressed by Sherman Lewis and his playcalling. The Redskins moved the ball very well with him calling the shots. Of course we won't be racking up rushing yards with this O-line, but we moved the ball better than any game so far this season and nearly scored 3 offensive TDs, plus a short FG that could have been a 4th TD if we were not playing semi-conservatively under Lewis' first game called. This gives me evidence that Campbell can excel for this team with some protection and a playcaller not named Jim Zorn. Campbell had some mistakes. Any QB would be forced into mistakes with zero protection against an aggressive blitzing defense all night. He turned many broken plays into positive plays however and showed he can take even this broken offense down the field. I am pleased to say that for the first time this season, I was not embarrassed by the team's performance overall. Sure, a few boneheaded plays by Rabach and Randel El made me wonder what was happening, but the offense was dramatically improved under Lewis' leadership and the defense played incredibly except for 2 long plays by DeSean Jackson, but let's face it, that kid is a player you just hope to contain....he can't be shut down with his blazing speed.

Cutler racked up some nice yardage but threw 3 INTs. Sanchez was not used (or trusted?) against the Raiders, as the Jets racked up 300 rushing yards. He does lead the league in hot dogs eaten on the sideline though.

Campbell now leads the 3 QBs in EVERY category except for TDs thrown, but he also has the fewest INTs.
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Campbell saw the guy coming, but batted passes do happen. If I recall correctly Moss didn't even have a shot at the ball either had it gotten through.

I know why you're comparing him to Sanchez, but it's an unfair comparison to Sanchez.. Cutler doesn't have a lot to work with either but that's his fault for being a baby.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:54 AM   #833
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Campbell saw the guy coming, but batted passes do happen. If I recall correctly Moss didn't even have a shot at the ball either had it gotten through.

I know why you're comparing him to Sanchez, but it's an unfair comparison to Sanchez.. Cutler doesn't have a lot to work with either but that's his fault for being a baby.
Hey, if we had brought in Sanchez, we'd have a rookie that the stats and film show is less mobile than Campbell to get killed behind this line, while trying to learn the system from Zorn, who apparently may not be the best teacher.

If we brought in Cutler, same story, a cannon arm like Campbell but no protection and he's not a runner either. The INT totals would probably be even greater with the Skins rather than the Bears, with no upgrade over Campbell.


I am keeping this thread running because it shows that we're not only better off with Campbell than the other two rumored Redskin QBs, he's actually performing better with much less to work with, as the stats show. He's leading them all in nearly every category. As the title says, Campbell's numbers don't lie.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:55 AM   #834
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With this OL honestly it wouldn't matter who is playing QB. Still, the future for JC with this team looks bleak at best.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:57 AM   #835
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I don't think campbell is to blame alone but I do think its painfully clear he cannot handle the pressures of being a starting QB in the NFL (at least without a great line). It could be that we (the redskins) killed him (with a crappy line) but i'm no longer willing to make excuses for him (as I have in the past). He doesn't seem to be improving (when he was before).
In my opinion, for JC to thrive he needs a new system and a better line. That said, I highly doubt that any team gives him that opportunity- the broncos didn't want him (over orton), who is going to make him their guy (oakland?)
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Old 10-27-2009, 10:02 AM   #836
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Hey, if we had brought in Sanchez, we'd have a rookie that the stats and film show is less mobile than Campbell to get killed behind this line, while trying to learn the system from Zorn, who apparently may not be the best teacher.

If we brought in Cutler, same story, a cannon arm like Campbell but no protection and he's not a runner either. The INT totals would probably be even greater with the Skins rather than the Bears, with no upgrade over Campbell.


I am keeping this thread running because it shows that we're not only better off with Campbell than the other two rumored Redskin QBs, he's actually performing better with much less to work with, as the stats show. He's leading them all in nearly every category. As the title says, Campbell's numbers don't lie.
Please tell me this is a joke. Look at who we've played. Some of the worst defensive teams in the league.Campbell is a really slow processing Qb. Would a better o-line help. Of course, but for you to say Campbell is better than Cutler is just flat out insane. Dude, Campbell is a joke. I can't believe people are still defending him!!!!!
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Old 10-27-2009, 10:08 AM   #837
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I am keeping this thread running because it shows that we're not only better off with Campbell than the other two rumored Redskin QBs, he's actually performing better with much less to work with, as the stats show. He's leading them all in nearly every category. As the title says, Campbell's numbers don't lie.
This year maybe so.. into the future.. who knows. These two may very well still be starting while Campbell is wearing a headset. You can also make a comparison on the teams that we've played.
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Old 10-27-2009, 10:09 AM   #838
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It could be worse. We could have Jamarcus Russell
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Old 10-27-2009, 10:14 AM   #839
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I believe the best course of action is:

*Draft another QB. Maybe McCoy, anyone but Tebow. I'd prefer that we pick up a top O-lineman with the high pick we're going to have, but as long as we cover the O-line throughout the draft, I'll be happy.

*Start Campbell with the new coach, hopefully Gruden. With a good line and new coach, I truly believe Campbell will be GREAT...not just good enough, but great. IF he can't cut it with an offensive line and new coach, the rookie or Colt Brennan steps in and it's officially the end of his era.

Campbell is playing very well this year in this Titanic-like offense. With a complete team and competent staff around him, I believe he'll do great things. We can't continue a QB carousel, we've been doing it since Rypien and it is clearly not working. Let's truly develop a QB into our leader.
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It could be worse. We could have Jamarcus Russell
Or Mr. 2-17, Derek Anderson!
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