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Old 10-29-2009, 07:53 AM   #901
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Rodgers, Smith, and Campbell. There are plenty of other guys in the league who would qualify for the list, but I misread "been with a team for 5 yrs."

That's the list I was able to come up with. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but it does happen.
Rodgers looks to be on his way and Smith is fighting for his career at this point. He was headed straight for "bust" status before last Sunday. Rodgers who has been sacked more than JC has 9 more plays of 20+ and 6 more plays of 40+ yards than JC. Hell even Smith came off the bench and threw 3 tds in a HALF of football. Im just saying ive rarely seen JC hit a wr in stride or throw the ball to a spot before the wr made his cut on a timing route. Most of his throws are when the wr is looking straight at him and he throws it to him.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:59 AM   #902
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Rodgers looks to be on his way and Smith is fighting for his career at this point. He was headed straight for "bust" status before last Sunday. Rodgers who has been sacked more than JC has 9 more plays of 20+ and 6 more plays of 40+ yards than JC. Hell even Smith came off the bench and threw 3 tds in a HALF of football. Im just saying ive rarely seen JC hit a wr in stride or throw the ball to a spot before the wr made his cut on a timing route. Most of his throws are when the wr is looking straight at him and he throws it to him.
Dude, I just answered your question...at this point, I'm sort of numb to everything. I feel bad for Jason because I think it's clear that it's not going to work here, but I don't blame it all on him. It wasn't an ideal situation he was put into (changing coordinators, overmatched head coach who's a bad play caller and turn styles for offensive lineman), but that matters little now. The Skins are going to move on (and I can understand why) and I am too. I just wish Colt or Chase were on the roster so they could go to a young guy and see if he can get it done. If you're going to lose, lose with a purpose at least.

One thing I will add to this, however, is that Collins can't do better and I promise Colt wouldn't either, so I think it should apparent that it's more than just the QB, but I'm tired of this discussion. I don't think Jason will ever be an elite QB, but I don't believe he's worse than average under the right circumstances, either.
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Dude, I just answered your question...at this point, I'm sort of numb to everything. I feel bad for Jason because I think it's clear that it's not going to work here, but I don't blame it all on him. It wasn't an ideal situation he was put into (changing coordinators, overmatched head coach who's a bad play caller and turn styles for offensive lineman), but that matters little now. The Skins are going to move on (and I can understand why) and I am too. I just wish Colt or Chase were on the roster so they could go to a young guy and see if he can get it done. If you're going to lose, lose with a purpose at least.

One thing I will add to this, however, is that Collins can't do better and I promise Colt wouldn't either, so I think it should apparent that it's more than just the QB, but I'm tired of this discussion. I don't think Jason will ever be an elite QB, but I don't believe he's worse than average under the right circumstances, either.
This is a very good description of how I feel also.
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:27 AM   #904
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It seems to me when we all watch the game we see the same thing, JC struggling, the Oline struggling, the receivers struggling, etc. But after we all regroup and begin to give opinions about everything, there are a portion of people who seem to point back and say well if you look at the stats and sum of all games, everything is ok, JC is a good quarterback, etc. That is fine and your opinion. Yes it is not all JC fault, but he is mos def a major part of it since he has the ball in his hand most of the time. He has the physical tools, but what I cant understand is how people cannot see that he cannot mentally make the decisions to lead this team to a win. He doesnt make 1 person better on that field. He cannot lead period. He is over thinking and hesitant. He goes through progression too fast when he HAS time in the pocket. He misses guys who come open. His overthinking throws off the rhythming of his throws and screws up his foot work, so it is leading to physical mistakes. Ive like and supported JC in the past, and wanted him to succeed, but even when the season started Ive been disappointed from the first game. Second season in the system and my expectations were higher. After 4 years it is pretty clear to me to see what we have, so it is time to move on from defending him and plus, look the FO doesnt want him here its pretty obvious he wont be here next year.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:02 AM   #905
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Every time I see this thread..."Campbell's numbers don't lie."
I want to add.....Yeah but they don't tell the truth either.
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He sucks and should be cut now. Yes the Oline is horrible the worst in the league, but Campbell sucks. Cut him now and move on. Let Collins start and go from there.
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This discussion is getting lame real fast. JC's stats are padded with dink and dunk shit like Brunell had, or with garbage drives where the game is already out of hand(Lions, Eagles, his best games). I still want to know why JC fumbled two perfect snaps out of the shotgun vs the Lions. Bastard almost lost the ball both times and lost yardage. Perfect snaps mind you, hit him in the hands also. Bastard has the mechanics of a rookie or a first year starting QB. Him missing wide open men means his field of vision is limited to that of a rookie or first year starter as well or his concentration level is insufficient to get the job done. Can't blame the O line all the time for his sacks or pics either. JC could throw for 3,500-4,000 yards this season and we can still end up 3-13, so his stats are junk. I could understand if folks outside of Redskindom were high on the kid, but most fans I talk with of other teams think JC is junk. Defending the guy is OK, but defending him to the max when his stats are garbage time yardage, when the defense is in a nickel or dime prevent type mode is delusional.
Campbell long passes:
Wk 1 = 35
Wk 2 = 25
Wk 3 = 57
Wk 4 = 59
Wk 5 = 23
Wk 6 = 25
Wk 7 = 24

Looks like he's going downfield to me. Keep in mind, his protection does not even allot him enough time to let the routes get downfield...hence 20 sacks in 7 games despite his mobility.

I'm also tired of the argument that a comeback attempt is automatically labeled "garbage time" and the stats should be thrown out. If not for the Rabach snap, we could have been down by 3 and who knows, something could have allowed us to win the game. Would you still dismiss the comeback as "garbage"?

How you can put everything on the QB that's playing without anything resembling a pro offensive line is beyond me. Does he make mistakes on his own? Sure he does. Every QB does. The point of me updating the stats of the 3 QBs is not to prove that Campbell is the next Unitas or Tarkenton, but to show that we'd be no better off with Cutler or Sanchez, a point I was making during all of the rumors in the offseason.

I have no response for anyone who wants to see Collins play. We did see him play for a half against a horrible team and it was a disaster. Collins is old, can not move in the pocket, has a very weak arm and has far less snaps in this offensive scheme than Campbell. Collins only stayed in the league because he was an expert at Al Saunders' offense after a decade in it. Well, we're not running that offense, so Collins is essentially useless to us. I felt we should have let him go and kept both Brennan and Daniel. That may have happened if Colt hadn't laid a rotten egg in his chance to win the #2 spot.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:14 AM   #908
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Campbell long passes:
Wk 1 = 35
Wk 2 = 25
Wk 3 = 57
Wk 4 = 59
Wk 5 = 23
Wk 6 = 25
Wk 7 = 24
Where in the world did you get these numbers from? 57 long passes in Week 3, 59 in Week 4.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:16 AM   #909
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Where in the world did you get these numbers from? 57 long passes in Week 3, 59 in Week 4.
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Long = Yardage, not number of "long" passes. Didn't have your coffee yet today?
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Only stat worth mentioning, JC has led this team to a 2-5 start against the softest schedule so far in the NFL.
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Oh, I see. I thought you meant number of long passes.

Either way I would suspect that more often than not he misses on those deep throws, though I know it's not always his fault
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It seems to me when we all watch the game we see the same thing, JC struggling, the Oline struggling, the receivers struggling, etc.
It all starts with the OL.
If the OL is struggling and the receivers are stuggling how can you garner an accurate judgement about the QB?
Outside of the stats?

If the OL struggles and the receivers struggle a judgment on the QB is a non sequitur
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It all starts with the OL.
If the OL is struggling and the receivers are stuggling how can you garner an accurate judgement about the QB?
Outside of the stats?

If the OL struggles and the receivers struggle a judgment on the QB is a non sequitur
I asked myself that same question. I hear Rodgers name a lot and how he has a horrible o-line but truth is his receivers are probably the best WR tandem in the NFL up there with the Cards. How many one-handed spectular catches do they have this year alone? Plus, his pass protection sucks not his pass and run blocking protection we can't run or pass Grant averages 1,000 per season last time I checked. Face it we don't have anything going for us at all no OL play, WR play, RB play or QB play but they all go hand and hand.
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Campbell long passes:
Wk 1 = 35
Wk 2 = 25
Wk 3 = 57
Wk 4 = 59
Wk 5 = 23
Wk 6 = 25
Wk 7 = 24

Looks like he's going downfield to me. Keep in mind, his protection does not even allot him enough time to let the routes get downfield...hence 20 sacks in 7 games despite his mobility.

I'm also tired of the argument that a comeback attempt is automatically labeled "garbage time" and the stats should be thrown out. If not for the Rabach snap, we could have been down by 3 and who knows, something could have allowed us to win the game. Would you still dismiss the comeback as "garbage"?

How you can put everything on the QB that's playing without anything resembling a pro offensive line is beyond me. Does he make mistakes on his own? Sure he does. Every QB does. The point of me updating the stats of the 3 QBs is not to prove that Campbell is the next Unitas or Tarkenton, but to show that we'd be no better off with Cutler or Sanchez, a point I was making during all of the rumors in the offseason.

I have no response for anyone who wants to see Collins play. We did see him play for a half against a horrible team and it was a disaster. Collins is old, can not move in the pocket, has a very weak arm and has far less snaps in this offensive scheme than Campbell. Collins only stayed in the league because he was an expert at Al Saunders' offense after a decade in it. Well, we're not running that offense, so Collins is essentially useless to us. I felt we should have let him go and kept both Brennan and Daniel. That may have happened if Colt hadn't laid a rotten egg in his chance to win the #2 spot.
In my opinion, the purpose of this thread was a discussion of stats in relation to how campbell is playing. If the stats are saying that Campbell is playing well, then I think the numbers are lying - especially the last game with the eagles.

When you analyze campbell's play, I think you look at the plays that was under his control or had opportunities to make plays. If you think that it was the offensive linemen's fault or a wide receiver's fault for a play breaking down, then fine, throw those away and look at the others. I think if you do it this way, it is more of a fair accessment of how Campbell has played. I won't hide that the fact that I am very opinionated, but I feel I tell it how it is. And to me, just analyzing his play and only his play alone - I think he is playing terrible. Missed touchdowns/big plays, turnovers, terrible pocket presence. These are probably the big three that he HIMSELF contributed to the redskins losing (remember just analyzing what he had a fair amount of control over).
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And you guys cant get all over Sanchez, ITS HIS 1st YR IN THE SYSTEM. --this excuse was brought to you by JC supporters everywhere--

Name another 1st round QB who has been with a team for 5 yrs and has yet to make the playoffs. thats still in the league. I cant think of any right off hand.
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