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Old 10-29-2009, 03:01 PM   #901
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Long = Yardage, not number of "long" passes. Didn't have your coffee yet today?
Don't drink coffee

Sorry to get you all riled up during your quest. Campbell long passes: Week 3=57 looked like number of long passes to me
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Sorry to get you all riled up during your quest. Campbell long passes: Week 3=57 looked like number of long passes to me
Don't worry about it, I didn't get it at first either.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:21 PM   #903
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Like I stated in the rant, EVEN when he has time he still makes the same mistakes. Outside of the stats, I watch the game and my eyes dont deceive me, he is sloppy with the ball and his decisions. I dont see progression...Big Ben, A.Rodgers have bad Olines, they still make plays when they do get protection. Also something have is the ability to lead...please JC cant lead or manage sh*t. Big Ben two superbowl rings, A Rodgers replaces a freakin legend, gains the support of team and fans, and puts an average team in a position to win a game every weekend. JC is not a rookie anymore, he has been here awhile.
Chico ever QB makes those same mistakes when they don't have time.
JC has made plays when he has time you exaggerting to try and make a point.
Ben Rothlisberger's OL is not anywhere near as bad as our OL.
Ben would be the 1st to tell you that he creates many of sacks trying to make a play downfield.
Ben's sacks don't come on 3 step drops, Ben's sacks come after he's already held the ball for 3 seconds and starts to scramble around trying to make a play.
(Nothing against Ben because he made big plays down the strecth his stats weren't much better then JC last year, and many of the games their defense won not Ben)
*BTW-Ben's 1st superbowl was won despite his horrible performance in the SB not because Ben played well.

Aaron Rodgers was groomed by a great coaching staff and has great playcalling, he got to watch behind Brett Favre and inherited a team loaded with talent both on the OL and at the skill positions.
True his OL is a little banged up this year but those guys are young draft picks that were waiting to play and their OL play has improved.

JC does make plays when he has protection, but he's had so little protection this year that its caused him not to trust his OL and he's started the last 2 games with happy feet.

The playcalling issues haven't exactly helped him out either.

And even if Ben and Rodgers do have OL as bad as ours, which they don't, does it makes sense to plan around for exception rather then the rule?

You can downplay the OL all you want but its impossible to make a proper assessment under these circumstances.
And when you consider the circumstances JC is doing as best he can.

Look at these issues:
1) Coaching/playcalling
2) support from the FO
3) OL
4) Receivers as a group
5)Running game

You tell me what QB other then JC is dealing has all of the same problems as JC and is still performing at a decent level?
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:34 PM   #904
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I asked myself that same question. I hear Rodgers name a lot and how he has a horrible o-line but truth is his receivers are probably the best WR tandem in the NFL up there with the Cards. How many one-handed spectular catches do they have this year alone? Plus, his pass protection sucks not his pass and run blocking protection we can't run or pass Grant averages 1,000 per season last time I checked. Face it we don't have anything going for us at all no OL play, WR play, RB play or QB play but they all go hand and hand.
Aaron Rodgers OL 'sucking' is a bit overblown.
Even during the game against the Vikes i recall Jaws saying how he caused some of those sacks, although i didn't agree with him.
I didn't want to go into the details but Aaron Rodgers has only had 2 changes to his starting OL.
And part of the reason we don't have more sacks is because the playcalling is centered around not getting JC killed.

LT-Lang a rookie 4th round draft pick
comes in for opening day starter C.Clifton
C-Wells who veteran Center who started 13 games for the Pack last year
takes the place of opening day starter Spitz

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*(I have a long post on Ben's supposed 'sorry' OL but it would make for a long post.)
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:53 PM   #905
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Oh, I see. I thought you meant number of long passes.

Either way I would suspect that more often than not he misses on those deep throws, though I know it's not always his fault
Yeah, I picked up what you picked up on, figured he meant "longest in each game." Which in reality JC probably only had 1 long pass that connected and the rest were either over throws or throw aways. So it's nice to see that he can get the ball down field, but he has to be able to do it more then once a game.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:08 PM   #906
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Although O-line is a glaring need. How much time do other QB's get in order to get the ball off? I'll agree with you guys that the O-line needs to be upgraded and needs to learn how to block as a team, otherwise the run game will be stifled.

I did see some jail breaks in the Eagles game, but other then that JC gets around 3-7 seconds to get rid of the ball on his pass plays. I think most QB's get 3-7 seconds to get the ball off. I keep hearing about how JC does not get enough time and wonder if this statement is BS. I think the team needs to design plays that develope quicker and JC needs to be more accurate in his throws, as well as hitting the receiver in stride and not behind them. Also stop being scared to throw the ball when a defender is close.
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Old 10-29-2009, 11:21 PM   #907
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The most important statistic of a QB is the Win/loss ratio. JC is just not a winner, even when he has impeccable protection. We do have a bad OL, but JC doesn't have the leadership skills and gets rattled easy.

JC is just not a NFL caliber QB. I can't hit the long passes. Many of his best passes were YAC made by the WR/TE/RB. He often misses wide open WR by not seeing them, throwing over, under, behind, etc. He has a poor feel for the rush - either stepping into the rush, rushing his pass when he has time or holding the ball too long. All these "feel" mistakes can be blamed on the poor OL, but other QB in the NFL make money out of it. JC can not.

Much of the stats that are sighted are the "junk yards" (like the last game) where the teams are giving him yardage at the end of the game we are going to lose.

I predict that JC will never start again in the NFL. He's quickly playing himself out of the NFL, except as a perennial #2 or #3 QB.
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Old 10-30-2009, 07:29 AM   #908
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JC has the skills, but not the temperament. His stats make him look better than he is because he doesn't (or isnt allowed to) take chances. But mainly, he isn't strong-willed enough. I'll bet he has no presence in the huddle. I've never seen any emotion out of the guy on the field or otherwise. And have you seen his press-conferences.....so mild mannered and doesn't even look the camera in the eye.
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Although O-line is a glaring need. How much time do other QB's get in order to get the ball off? I'll agree with you guys that the O-line needs to be upgraded and needs to learn how to block as a team, otherwise the run game will be stifled.
Well if you realize that the OL isn't up to par in the running game or the passing game what makes you think the still give JC as much time as other OLs?

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I did see some jail breaks in the Eagles game, but other then that JC gets around 3-7 seconds to get rid of the ball on his pass plays. I think most QB's get 3-7 seconds to get the ball off.
I think you need to research how much time a QB gets in the pocket because you are way off base.
If you don't want to look it up, watch a game with stop watch that goes to the hundredths.

You'll find the following:
3 seconds of pass pro would be considered average
1.5-1.7 seconds on a 3 step drop the ball should be coming out (a QB should not get hit on a 3 step drop)
4-5 seconds behind a good OL on 5-7 step drop
7 seconds of protection almost never happens
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Yeah 7 seconds is ridiculous...

Typically if a QB gets a full 3 seconds, that's good protection.
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:49 AM   #911
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The most important statistic of a QB is the Win/loss ratio. JC is just not a winner, even when he has impeccable protection. We do have a bad OL, but JC doesn't have the leadership skills and gets rattled easy.
Football is a team sport.
You cannot judge a QB by their win/loss record alone.
Look at the W/L records of Rodgers in Green Bay or Drew Brees w/ the Saints(prior to this year).

Even when he has impeccable protection?
When has he even had good protection? Save for a handful of times last game?

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JC is just not a NFL caliber QB. I can't hit the long passes. Many of his best passes were YAC made by the WR/TE/RB. He often misses wide open WR by not seeing them, throwing over, under, behind, etc. He has a poor feel for the rush - either stepping into the rush, rushing his pass when he has time or holding the ball too long. All these "feel" mistakes can be blamed on the poor OL, but other QB in the NFL make money out of it. JC can not.
The question you need to ask yourself is does JC makes these mistakes more then other QBs?
And if JC was making all these mistakes more often the other QBs playing behind a worse OL, without a running game, with a average at best receiving corps, and inconsistent to below average playcalling and coaching then how is it that he's the 18th rated QB in the league?

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Much of the stats that are sighted are the "junk yards" (like the last game) where the teams are giving him yardage at the end of the game we are going to lose.
Junk yardage?
The TD to Devin Thomas was junk yardage?
On the drive that lead to Fred Davis TD the Eagles weren't playing prevent they were still blitzing.
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30gut we will just have to disagree. Like I stated, I wanted JC to be that franchise type but to me he just doenst have it. From a mental and leadership perspective of the position he gets very low marks. Good Oline or not. Physical standpoint, he has all the tools. Yeah coaching has some to do with it, maybe he has had too many changes but that is water under the bridge. Another year, another coach, another system is not going to benefit JC here, its time to move on. And like I said, management does not want him here, he has had his chance, good luck to him.
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JC has the skills, but not the temperament. His stats make him look better than he is
I'd say JC has the skills.
His stats make him look good because he has suspect OL, no running, average receiving corps, and up until now inconsistent to lousy playcalling and is still the 18th rated QB in the NFL.

All the Skins have to do is win a couple games and i'm sure a bunch of you guys will change your tune.

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30gut we will just have to disagree. Like I stated, I wanted JC to be that franchise type but to me he just doenst have it. From a mental and leadership perspective of the position he gets very low marks. Good Oline or not. Physical standpoint, he has all the tools. Yeah coaching has some to do with it, maybe he has had too many changes but that is water under the bridge. Another year, another coach, another system is not going to benefit JC here, its time to move on. And like I said, management does not want him here, he has had his chance, good luck to him.
We can agree to disagree.
But when people start in with the bashing rhetoric its hard for me to remain silent in the face of spurios claims. http://www.thewarpath.net/618206-post922.html (Campbell's numbers dont lie)
Hey, if you don't think JC can be any better then the 18th QB in the league given the circumstances, cool.
But no need to bash the dude.

I just don't understand how anyone can judge JC negatively this season.
There aren't many QBs in the league that would play better in this situation.
And if JC is gone next year who are we gonna find thats actually better?
Finding different is easy finding better is another story.
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Sorry to get you all riled up during your quest. Campbell long passes: Week 3=57 looked like number of long passes to me
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Someone said JC is doing the "Brunell dink-and dunk" and claimed he doesn't go downfield, so I posted his long completions for each week. Standard stat, I thought!
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