Campbell's numbers dont lie

SolidSnake84 · 10-30-2009, 03:59 PM

They just started getting ridiculous with the permanent bans. I myself got banned for life last night. They gave no reason. I suspected that some of my posts were unpopular with the moderators. I had been there since 2005 with no incidents whatsoever, and then last night got permanently banned. No lie, within the past month, i know of at least 50 people who have been banned for life. I saw 5 or 6 of them on here today.

The board over there is a mess...one guy named "Jumbo", apparantly launched into a racial tirade last night....they even called in about it today on 106.7 The Fan.....its just a couple bad mods ruined it for everyone...

Slingin Sammy 33 · 10-30-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Campbell now reminds me of Brunell in 2006. He isn't quite stinking it up, but he's not doing anything to try and win the game either....

Brunell's problem was that his arm strength was gone and he knew he couldn't make the plays he used to.

Monkeydad · 10-30-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

They just started getting ridiculous with the permanent bans. I myself got banned for life last night. They gave no reason. I suspected that some of my posts were unpopular with the moderators. I had been there since 2005 with no incidents whatsoever, and then last night got permanently banned. No lie, within the past month, i know of at least 50 people who have been banned for life. I saw 5 or 6 of them on here today.

The board over there is a mess...one guy named "Jumbo", apparantly launched into a racial tirade last night....they even called in about it today on 106.7 The Fan.....its just a couple bad mods ruined it for everyone...

Welcome to the best Skins board in existence then. You'll enjoy it here, a lot of us actually use our brains.

I bet Vinny Cerrato threatened the ES mods to tighten things up.

SolidSnake84 · 10-30-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

Welcome to the best Skins board in existence then. You'll enjoy it here, a lot of us actually use our brains.

I bet Vinny Cerrato threatened the ES mods to tighten things up.

Thanks, Man.

I seriously wish someone would start a thread off-topic somewhere where all of us old ex Extremeskins members could re-unite and stuff.

It's just plain crazy over there...like seriously no other message board among the NFL could be that bad. I can't believe they let the moderators over there do what they are doing. The mods got all angry because they were accused of censoring on the SportsJunkies show, banned all people that voiced the opinion that they were, and were calling people names.

I asked last night in allegation of the censorship charges, did anyone regret officially merging with the team back in 2005, now in hindsight...."Jumbo" one of the mods told me i was too stupid to post here and warned others who agreed with me that they too would be "cut from the herd".

Good stuff though, as this helps WP's ranks grow. Ironically, after i was banned, somebody started a thread called "F Dan Snyder"...the thread was closed, and the person lifetime banned.....go figure

GTripp0012 · 10-30-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Brunell's problem was that his arm strength was gone and he knew he couldn't make the plays he used to.

Brunell's problem was that his defense was trash and he had a first round prospect breathing down his neck. No one really thought of him as anything more than a caretaker anyway.

Campbell's issue appears to be that he's been handed a "now or never" scenario, and then given a team with no chance to win now. It's pretty obvious that Campbell is not the right quarterback for this team. Campbell's defense is not trash, it's giving him plenty of chances to win games, but the expectation from the front office is that Campbell leads an offensive resurgence that scores lots of points.

You're getting a lot of fumbles and interceptions and careless play from Campbell that seem to just be a result of the situation. Erratic quarterback play is not what this team requires right now, but the front office pretty much got what they asked for.

GTripp0012 · 10-30-2009, 04:29 PM

BTW, there's a lot of interest in Campbell around the league right now, specifically from franchises out west. I would not be surprised if Matt Hasselbeck was the quarterback here next year.

Just saying.

SolidSnake84 · 10-30-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

BTW, there's a lot of interest in Campbell around the league right now, specifically from franchises out west. I would not be surprised if Matt Hasselbeck was the quarterback here next year.

Just saying.

I'm all for moving Campbell if we could get something for him. But I dont see it. I think the FO's attempt earlier this year to trade him proved that....

Slingin Sammy 33 · 10-30-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Campbell's issue appears to be that he's been handed a "now or never" scenario, and then given a team with no chance to win now. It's pretty obvious that Campbell is not the right quarterback for this team. Campbell's defense is not trash, it's giving him plenty of chances to win games, but the expectation from the front office is that Campbell leads an offensive resurgence that scores lots of points.

You're getting a lot of fumbles and interceptions and careless play from Campbell that seem to just be a result of the situation. Erratic quarterback play is not what this team requires right now, but the front office pretty much got what they asked for.

The problems I've mentioned about JC are his and his alone. I'm not sure what situation you mean. He can control those things. He can't control a ball getting batted at the line for an INT, and I didn't slam him for that play. He can't control Heyer and Williams missing blocks, and in those instances I've not criticized him.

His ball security has been poor and it's not improving. His long release and his bad habit of "patting" the ball before a throw causes a delay in the ball getting out and missed opportunities. His inaccuracy, missing open receivers, and not making audibles are his fault. If audibles are not available to him in the system, then that's Zorn's fault.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 10-30-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

BTW, there's a lot of interest in Campbell around the league right now, specifically from franchises out west. I would not be surprised if Matt Hasselbeck was the quarterback here next year.

Just saying.

If that's true, put JC on the bench so he doesn't get hurt or continue his poor play and he has some value in the off-season.

GTripp0012 · 10-30-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I'm all for moving Campbell if we could get something for him. But I dont see it. I think the FO's attempt earlier this year to trade him proved that....

Well, they could have moved him to Tampa for a second/third round pick if they had been more punctual (Tampa pulled out, not coincidentally, after KSU's pro day), but the whole plan was bad from the beginning. Have you seen what Cutler is doing this year? Campbell has never had a game as bad as Cutler has had against either Green Bay or Cincinnati this year.

If we traded Campbell at this point, we'd likely get a late round draft pick or a backup QB. But there will be a lot of QBs released from their contracts this offseason who we can bring in. The free agent class is Chad Pennington, Daunte Culpepper and a bunch of nobodies, but I could see any of the following players released:

Matt Hasselbeck
Mark Bulger
Kellen Clemens
Tavaris Jackson
Alex Smith
Shaun Hill
Billy Volek
Brodie Croyle
Byron Leftwich
Jim Sorgi
Chris Simms

Of course, the only two players on that list that would represent an upgrade over Campbell are Hasselbeck and Pennington...who are both injury risks.

I think we'll address QB in the draft, but not in the first round.

SolidSnake84 · 10-30-2009, 04:53 PM

Pennington's career is likely over, and besides having an absolutley shot, raggedy throwing arm that never had strength to begin with, i dont see how he would make the difference here. The team needs the throw downfield. Chad is a great QB bu he never had the arm even in his prime before all the injuries....

GTripp0012 · 10-30-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The problems I've mentioned about JC are his and his alone. I'm not sure what situation you mean. He can control those things. He can't control a ball getting batted at the line for an INT, and I didn't slam him for that play. He can't control Heyer and Williams missing blocks, and in those instances I've not criticized him.

His ball security has been poor and it's not improving. His long release and his bad habit of "patting" the ball before a throw causes a delay in the ball getting out and missed opportunities. His inaccuracy, missing open receivers, and not making audibles are his fault. If audibles are not available to him in the system, then that's Zorn's fault.

Well, ball security has been an issue going back to the first game, and it's really just deteriorated since then. Inaccuracy is a more recent problem, and no less troubling.

There's plenty to not like about Campbell's play right now, but the only thing that's different between this year and last year is the expectations and consequences. The Redskins don't score points, and they are really, really hoping that Jason Campbell is the reason. But, I think we've seen that Campbell succeeding at ball security and mid-range completions and failing at them are not the difference between the Redskins scoring points and not.

You and I both know that Jason Campbell is incapable of giving the Redskins what they want, and we both know he's capable of playing better than he is right now. Here's where the siutation is at fault: should Campbell be more conservative with his mechanics giving the situation, even if it would make him a better player? Protecting the ball, and not throwing INTs gives this team it's best chance to win, but it does nothing for Jason Campbell's long term future of this team. Winning 6 games because of improvements in ball security still means a change at QB next year. And that's where the problem lies: there's no incentive to do the small things (which are 100% in his control) better because Campbell is getting blamed for the big picture things which ne has no control over. And that's because we're a horrendous organization.

I do not, and have not disagreed with your analysis, and I think you're doing a top notch job. At this point though, I'm finding myself (naturally) less concerned with the what (bad QB play), and more with the why.

Mattyk · 10-30-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

They just started getting ridiculous with the permanent bans. I myself got banned for life last night. They gave no reason. I suspected that some of my posts were unpopular with the moderators. I had been there since 2005 with no incidents whatsoever, and then last night got permanently banned. No lie, within the past month, i know of at least 50 people who have been banned for life. I saw 5 or 6 of them on here today.

The board over there is a mess...one guy named "Jumbo", apparantly launched into a racial tirade last night....they even called in about it today on 106.7 The Fan.....its just a couple bad mods ruined it for everyone...

Interesting but not surprising. That place has been going downhill for a while now.

Well, you're always welcome here.

SolidSnake84 · 10-30-2009, 10:55 PM

Thanks to everybody who has welcomed me here. I can see already that this is the place for me. People seem friendlier and the whole board has a cleaner, more family style orientation to it.

Also i tip my hand to SmootSmack for keeping me from foolishly going back on ES and launching a tirade..people here are clearly level headed. I can tell you that in the nearly 5 years i spent over there, nobody there ever made me feel welcome like this.

Thank you again.

Mark

Hog1 · 10-30-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Thanks to everybody who has welcomed me here. I can see already that this is the place for me. People seem friendlier and the whole board has a cleaner, more family style orientation to it.

Also i tip my hand to SmootSmack for keeping me from foolishly going back on ES and launching a tirade..people here are clearly level headed. I can tell you that in the nearly 5 years i spent over there, nobody there ever made me feel welcome like this.

Thank you again.

Mark

Glad you made the leap Snake, but beware. From time to time you will be made sport of...........it's our way
HTTR

10-30-2009, 03:59 PM	#931
SolidSnake84 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 1,819	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie They just started getting ridiculous with the permanent bans. I myself got banned for life last night. They gave no reason. I suspected that some of my posts were unpopular with the moderators. I had been there since 2005 with no incidents whatsoever, and then last night got permanently banned. No lie, within the past month, i know of at least 50 people who have been banned for life. I saw 5 or 6 of them on here today. The board over there is a mess...one guy named "Jumbo", apparantly launched into a racial tirade last night....they even called in about it today on 106.7 The Fan.....its just a couple bad mods ruined it for everyone... __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

10-30-2009, 04:29 PM	#936
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 25 Posts: 15,702	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie BTW, there's a lot of interest in Campbell around the league right now, specifically from franchises out west. I would not be surprised if Matt Hasselbeck was the quarterback here next year. Just saying. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

10-30-2009, 04:53 PM	#941
SolidSnake84 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 1,819	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie Pennington's career is likely over, and besides having an absolutley shot, raggedy throwing arm that never had strength to begin with, i dont see how he would make the difference here. The team needs the throw downfield. Chad is a great QB bu he never had the arm even in his prime before all the injuries.... __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

10-30-2009, 10:55 PM	#944
SolidSnake84 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 1,819	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie Thanks to everybody who has welcomed me here. I can see already that this is the place for me. People seem friendlier and the whole board has a cleaner, more family style orientation to it. Also i tip my hand to SmootSmack for keeping me from foolishly going back on ES and launching a tirade..people here are clearly level headed. I can tell you that in the nearly 5 years i spent over there, nobody there ever made me feel welcome like this. Thank you again. Mark __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

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