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Old 09-28-2009, 10:23 PM   #91
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Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie

Here is another thing, Zorn really got away from the run early in the game. That shows lack of discipline, along with going for it on 4th and goal(which I feel was purely because of the media/fan pressure to get a TD).
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:28 PM   #92
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if you cannot call a run on 3rd and one, you don't have a running game
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:30 PM   #93
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50 % of the reason our offense sucks is zorns play calling
the other 50% is jason campbell
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:31 PM   #94
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50 % of the reason our offense sucks is zorns play calling
the other 50% is jason campbell
And 50% is that we don't have anyone else on the field apparently.

I know that equals 150%, but I guess that is what it takes to cover all your bases.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:34 PM   #95
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I'll also go out on a limb here and say this.
Zorn gets fired and Mike shannanhan is our new HC. Campbell doesn't get resigned and goes to minnesota. We get a draft pick in the top ten. We do what ever we can to get sam bradford. Our OL next year will be. Donald Penn (of Tampa bay) at LT, Derrick Dockery LG, Draft pick at C (Mike Pouncey of Florida), Jahri Evans (of New Orleans) RG, Stephon Heyer at RT (or Samuels if we keep him). Our DL will be Orakpo at RE, Griffin, haynesworth, Jarmon at LE. Our LB's will be mcintosh, fletcher, and either a draft pick, or a FA. Our corners will be one of the crappy ones now, and a FA like dunta robinson. And I say that Shannahan asks for a new GM, and Vinny gets positioned down from GM, to like a smaller position.
I'm a very optimistic person, but I just see no way we win games with an offense that can't score in the red zone. Our defense is OK, they could be better if the offense stays on the field longer. I'm not as confident saying this, but I think LaRon could be trade bate for a high draft pick. And I forgot to mention that Greg Blache will either Resign or be fired.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:39 PM   #96
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I think, a true rebuilding process would simply be: a decision on Hall, a decision on Landry, no more Smoot, a move away from Daniels and Wynn, releasing Randy Thomas outright, releasing Betts, a decision on Rabach, a franchise tag on Rogers, an RFA tender to Jason Campbell (assuming no CBA extension), a RFA tender to Rocky Mac, and I would trade up into the bottom of the second round AFTER using both of my first two picks and add some competition at the quarterback position.

If it's a true rebuilding project, I would not be afraid to start the rookie at QB if he beats out Jason Campebll.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:40 PM   #97
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50 % of the reason our offense sucks is zorns play calling
the other 50% is jason campbell
This is an asinine statement. I guess our #1 RB being ineffective and our #2 getting tired quickly isn't an offensive problem? How about receivers dropping passes or their inability to separate?
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:43 PM   #98
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if you cannot call a run on 3rd and one, you don't have a running game
Exactly. I don't know why people keep talking about Zorn abandoned the running game. We don't have one. Period. We don't have the horses up front or in the backfield any longer. Portis isn't getting it done. The offensive isn't getting done.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:53 PM   #99
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Exactly. I don't know why people keep talking about Zorn abandoned the running game. We don't have one. Period. We don't have the horses up front or in the backfield any longer. Portis isn't getting it done. The offensive isn't getting done.
ZERO rushing yards in the 1st half.........enough said.
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This is an asinine statement. I guess our #1 RB being ineffective and our #2 getting tired quickly isn't an offensive problem? How about receivers dropping passes or their inability to separate?
Our strength is our running game, so when teams stack 8 in the box, that forces you to pass. The person who passes the ball...the QB!!
Sure the receivers have dropped a few, but a lot of campbells passes have been off target, and theres a reason Zorn doesn't have a lot of faith in campbell. And I agree betts should be cut, but really its the crappy play calling. And JC decision making has been awful. Example: 3 & 8, jason throws it to cooley on a short 5 yd route, and they come up 1 yd short. He doesn't throw to a receiver running downfield or towards the 1st down marker, he throws to a receiver running back to him. Just like when he was in the 2 min drill against detroit, he throws it to cartwright for a gain, then the clocks ticking, and what does he do? throws it to cartwright AGAIN in the middle of the field for a 2 yard gain. he should have thrown it towards the endzone or away. It's little things like that which make me say "He is not the answer" I've seen enough to say that year 2 in this offense is no different that year 1 in this offense. If campbell is struggling against detroit and st. louis, then how do you think he's going to do against philly, san diego, atlanta, carolina, new orleans, etc.?
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Our strength is our running game, so when teams stack 8 in the box, that forces you to pass. The person who passes the ball...the QB!!
Sure the receivers have dropped a few, but a lot of campbells passes have been off target, and theres a reason Zorn doesn't have a lot of faith in campbell. And I agree betts should be cut, but really its the crappy play calling. And JC decision making has been awful. Example: 3 & 8, jason throws it to cooley on a short 5 yd route, and they come up 1 yd short. He doesn't throw to a receiver running downfield or towards the 1st down marker, he throws to a receiver running back to him. Just like when he was in the 2 min drill against detroit, he throws it to cartwright for a gain, then the clocks ticking, and what does he do? throws it to cartwright AGAIN in the middle of the field for a 2 yard gain. he should have thrown it towards the endzone or away. It's little things like that which make me say "He is not the answer" I've seen enough to say that year 2 in this offense is no different that year 1 in this offense. If campbell is struggling against detroit and st. louis, then how do you think he's going to do against philly, san diego, atlanta, carolina, new orleans, etc.?
But it's not like anyone is playing a lot of 8 in the box against us. When the safety comes up, we could check out of the running plays we do call, but then we are talking about Portis averaging 5 carries a game. He wouldn't accept that.
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Alright. But Samuels and Dockery have been more than serviceable in their careers here, and I don't know what you'd call the right side of the line except a rebuilding project. So outside of using a high draft pick on the OL (whi ch you and I both favor), exactly who should go to make room for these players? Samuels is old, but does that mean we should part ways while he is still effective?

In a lot of ways, this is the first year of our OL rebuilding project. Randy Thomas is probably done as a Redskin, Casey Rabach is likely in his final season here, and we're trying to see if we have anything in Heyer or Rinehart. We could use a big, mean, proven college body, but I kind think we're already rebuilding on the OL.
No, certainly you don't take Samuels out with the garbage. Dockery stays too. But left tackle has to be in the plans somewhere down the line. I agree -- right guard and right tackle are already up in the air. It sure would be nice if Rinehart steps right in and becomes a fixture. Can't jettison him until we know what we've got. As far as who goes, you'd hope that whoever they draft will easily replace any of our current backups who weren't able to break into a starting position this year.

It's also important to point out that drafting linemen shouldn't just be a one or two-year action plan. You have to layer your picks, and find a way to take two or three every other draft or so no matter what.
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No, certainly you don't take Samuels out with the garbage. Dockery stays too. But left tackle has to be in the plans somewhere down the line. I agree -- right guard and right tackle are already up in the air. It sure would be nice if Rinehart steps right in and becomes a fixture. Can't jettison him until we know what we've got. As far as who goes, you'd hope that whoever they draft will easily replace any of our current backups who weren't able to break into a starting position this year.

It's also important to point out that drafting linemen shouldn't just be a one or two-year action plan. You have to layer your picks, and find a way to take two or three every other draft or so no matter what.
We agree on the bolded part. A long term commitment to the OL is in order.

If the OL gets it figured out before the end of the year though, I'm not sure we should use one of our first two picks on an offensive line player. This is different from suggesting we shouldn't add any lineman in the draft.

I think our biggest single offensive need is RB, and I would not pass up a chance to use one of the top two picks in the draft next year on a RB. Then we have to decide whether the other one should be used on the offensive line, or the defensive back seven. And you have to admit, the defensive back seven is making a pretty darn strong case for itself.

Either way, I'm picking up at least two lineman in the draft if I'm in charge of the Skins.
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Fellows we are only 1 yard and a couple of inches from being 2-1. This is not the time to panick....relax, we going to win the next 4 in a row, and then everyone will be saying, I TOLD YOU SO!

Zorn is the Man, Jason, I knew he had it in him, the D-fence has jelled!

We need faith and a few Miracles!!!
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Our strength is our running game, so when teams stack 8 in the box, that forces you to pass.
This was the case last year......not this year. We are a better passing team now, we cant run the ball with this O-line. Everyone knows that we are going left, its not gonna get better anytime soon either.
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