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Old 11-16-2009, 11:56 AM   #1096
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This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer. Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.
Yes he did, remember the overthrow to Royal? That could have put the game out of reach.
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:00 PM   #1097
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I don't get people's hate for him. I still hear people on here stating they'd still rather have Cutler or Sanchez, which amazes me. Campbell is performing better with less to work with and he still gets torn down. If you didn't notice, he's the only of the 3 QBs who played a good game this week and also the only one of the three whose team won!

This nonstop hatred for him is what keeps me up for tracking this all year long. He could throw 4 TDs and people would still manufacture excuses as to why he's not to be given credit and why he should be benched for the elderly Todd Collins or the inexperienced QB on IR named Colt Brennan.

Also, I don't get why people are shocked I'm posting this for another week. I have stated EVERY week that I'm doing this stat tracking and analysis all season long and have been supported and thanked by several members, yet every week, the response it "WHY ARE YOU STILL DOING THIS!?
I think the smart fans don't hate the guy. How can you? He's the type of guy you want to root for and do well. He's not a diva ass punk like CP or Hall. He's nothing but a high character stand up guy. But he's just not a legit NFL starter. He missed 3 TD's yesterday w/ inaccurate throws. I know even the best guys miss stuff but the best guys make more than they miss. W/ JC it's the opposite, he misses more than he makes.
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:01 PM   #1098
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I think the smart fans don't hate the guy. How can you? He's the type of guy you want to root for and do well. He's not a diva ass punk like CP or Hall. He's nothing but a high character stand up guy. But he's just not a legit NFL starter. He missed 3 TD's yesterday w/ inaccurate throws. I know even the best guys miss stuff but the best guys make more than they miss. W/ JC it's the opposite, he misses more than he makes.
Who's saying he is though?
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I think it's also worth noting that in the all important 'wins' category, Cutler and Sanchez have 4, Campbell 3 so for all of the 'bench JC and we'll start winning' crowd, the evidence really isn't there. Bottom line, as it was in the offseason, training camp and today, Campbell gives us the best chance to win each week.

Every observer of this team acknowledges that while JC is not playing at a high level and makes frustrating errors, he is far from the biggest problem on the offense. For example, Jim Zorn calling plays-13.1 PPG, Sherm Lewis calling plays-20.3 PPG. If we can get some consistent protection we may see even more improvement in Campbell's game.
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Who's saying he is though?
I actually think if we re-vamp the line, he COULD be. It's still a wait-and-see about the remainder of the season, but of course, the main point of me tracking the stats is to prove that Cutler and Sanchez were not the answers as I had maintained in the offseason.

What COULD be done is if we can land Colt McCoy AND STILL STRENGTHEN THE LINE, we could let JC start next season with the new line and see if he's up to it, because I do see some potential in him. If he falters, plug in whichever of the two "Colt"s that landed the backup job out of camp. Todd Collins needs to be sent walking.

If we can't bolster the line AND get a new QB at the same time this offseason/draft, we need to make the line the top priority.
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Who's saying he is though?
Before the season about 80% of the ppl in here. just sayin.
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I think it's also worth noting that in the all important 'wins' category, Cutler and Sanchez have 4, Campbell 3 so for all of the 'bench JC and we'll start winning' crowd, the evidence really isn't there. Bottom line, as it was in the offseason, training camp and today, Campbell gives us the best chance to win each week.

Every observer of this team acknowledges that while JC is not playing at a high level and makes frustrating errors, he is far from the biggest problem on the offense. For example, Jim Zorn calling plays-13.1 PPG, Sherm Lewis calling plays-20.3 PPG. If we can get some consistent protection we may see even more improvement in Campbell's game.
Great point. I knew Sherm's production was a big improvement, but I did not have the numbers.
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Before the season about 80% of the ppl in here. just sayin.
Yes, but we're talking about right now...you Campbell criticizers act like we're saying that right now...and I have yet to see someone say that Campbell is an NFL caliber starter or that he's the QB of the future or anything we used to say before.

I actually find it interesting that Campbell statistically is not doing too bad, yet we know what his play looks on the field. That being said, I agree with Paintrain, right now he gives us the best chance to win (which is a sad indictment of our situation at the QB position). This by no means is saying that he should come back next year...he won't (as I said at best a 2nd stringer).
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I actually think if we re-vamp the line, he COULD be. It's still a wait-and-see about the remainder of the season, but of course, the main point of me tracking the stats is to prove that Cutler and Sanchez were not the answers as I had maintained in the offseason.

What COULD be done is if we can land Colt McCoy AND STILL STRENGTHEN THE LINE, we could let JC start next season with the new line and see if he's up to it, because I do see some potential in him. If he falters, plug in whichever of the two "Colt"s that landed the backup job out of camp. Todd Collins needs to be sent walking.

If we can't bolster the line AND get a new QB at the same time this offseason/draft, we need to make the line the top priority.
I think we're beyond wait and see....there's going to be a new coaching regime next year and at best JC will be our back up. Once again, I do believe right now he gives us the best chance to win (well it's more like the lesser of two evils), but we need a QB of the future and he's not going to be it.
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Before the season about 80% of the ppl in here. just sayin.
I've been one of Campbell's more steadfast supporters around these parts. Recently I've said that I think he can still be an effective game manager and starting QB in the league, but it probably isn't going to happen for him here.

You can see by his numbers that he's an average NFL QB. He's not Jamarcus Russell or Derek Anderson and he's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He's a guy who won't kill you with mistakes and also not dazzle you with amazing plays.

If you've got a team that plays smart football, runs well, protects well and needs 2-3 plays from your QB per game, he can be your guy. If you've got a team that struggles to do the little things, can't always move the ball and needs the QB to create plays offensively, he's probably the wrong fit. Right now, we're that second type of team so he's not a good fit for us.
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:18 PM   #1106
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It should be noted, there are no major, long-term free agent QBs in 2010.

2010 NFL Free Agents

Kyle Orton (will be kept by Denver for sure)
Jason Campbell
Chad Pennington (old and busted)
Tavaris Jackson (far less capable than even Campbell, has failed to keep job several times)
Kellen Clemens (could not beat out Sanchez for starter, barely backup quality)
Charlie Batch (old, not leaving Pittsburgh)
Kyle Boller (no)
David Carr (MAYBE...but has he been beaten to death in his Houston years)
Daunte Culpepper (injury risk)
Rex Grossman (no way)
Joey Harrington (had chances)
Jon Kitna (ancient)
Matt Moore (who?)
Brett Ratliff (who?)
Troy Smith (great in college, good in an emergency, not starter quality)


As for college: Tebow I don't see being an NFL success. Bradford is an injury risk. McCoy looks good, I don't trust a Notre Dame QB, Pike from Cincinnati...undecided...
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:24 PM   #1107
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I've been one of Campbell's more steadfast supporters around these parts. Recently I've said that I think he can still be an effective game manager and starting QB in the league, but it probably isn't going to happen for him here.

You can see by his numbers that he's an average NFL QB. He's not Jamarcus Russell or Derek Anderson and he's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He's a guy who won't kill you with mistakes and also not dazzle you with amazing plays.

If you've got a team that plays smart football, runs well, protects well and needs 2-3 plays from your QB per game, he can be your guy. If you've got a team that struggles to do the little things, can't always move the ball and needs the QB to create plays offensively, he's probably the wrong fit. Right now, we're that second type of team so he's not a good fit for us.
Name one team like that these days,gone are the days where you could run the ball, play defense and win titles. Even Minn who has a good defense and a great back in AP needs a playmaker at the QB position to win games. The Titans last yr had a good defense and a great backfield and they lost their first playoff game. These days it takes a playmaking QB to win.
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:27 PM   #1108
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Other vets may become availible after this season as other teams look to rebuild...Hasselbeck, Bulger, D. Anderson, etc. There not long term solutions either but could easily challenge JC at the QB spot.
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Yes he did, remember the overthrow to Royal? That could have put the game out of reach.
At the game yesterday, upper deck...a couple beers in...I thought that was Simms in.

Nevertheless, Orton, who may not be a top 20 Nfl qb, didn't miss as much as JC yesterday.

JC is just not a franchise QB to build around. I like the guy, he's a good teamate, he just doesn't have it. We can all argue about the line, WR's, RB's, etc but he doesn't have it.

As i've said though, that doesn't mean he might not be the best option next year.
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Yes, but we're talking about right now...you Campbell criticizers act like we're saying that right now...and I have yet to see someone say that Campbell is an NFL caliber starter or that he's the QB of the future or anything we used to say before.

I actually find it interesting that Campbell statistically is not doing too bad, yet we know what his play looks on the field. That being said, I agree with Paintrain, right now he gives us the best chance to win (which is a sad indictment of our situation at the QB position). This by no means is saying that he should come back next year...he won't (as I said at best a 2nd stringer).
I think Ciollins would do better in there if the line can play at the level it did yesterday. Collins probably hits Moss, he hits Thomas and no way does he miss an uncoverd Yoder.
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