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Old 12-07-2009, 01:20 PM   #1231
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JC really showed something yesterday.
That he did. So impressive. We were all worried about Gregg Williams' D...myself included...and Jason embarrassed them.

He's on a great run the last 3 weeks against 3 very tough opponents.
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:24 PM   #1232
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I have also been impress with JC's play the past couple of weeks. I wonder if his improvement is because does not have alot of preasure on him with us out of the playoffs and is just going out and playing?
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buster, good stuff. im not sure where i stand on Campbell? while i don't think he is the problem, im not sure if he is the answer, either
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:27 PM   #1234
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dangit i should have asked before you started doing this buster, but id be interested in seeing the y/pa stat. imo thats a very important stat if we are comparing stats. last year JC had a pretty good y/pa if i remember correctly and, atleast with this last game, he might actually be on pace to increase his y/pa from last year.

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7.36 Campbell
6.90 Sanchez
6.68 Cutler


For comparison's sake:
9.02 Brees
8.55 Roethlisberger
8.25 Rodgers
8.01 P. Manning
7.95 Matt Schaub
7.94 Brady
7.86 Rivers
7.83 McNabb
7.81 Favre
7.72 E. Manning
7.08 Romo
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:32 PM   #1235
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I have also been impress with JC's play the past couple of weeks. I wonder if his improvement is because does not have alot of preasure on him with us out of the playoffs and is just going out and playing?
Maybe. He's also getting more help from his receivers. That's not to take anything away from JC, though. He's been quite impressive. He seems to have a better pocket presence.
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:32 PM   #1236
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I have also been impress with JC's play the past couple of weeks. I wonder if his improvement is because does not have alot of preasure on him with us out of the playoffs and is just going out and playing?
No pressure about playoffs is correct, but he's in a contract year and playing for his career's next step. With all of the detractors he's had, not only on here but everywhere I see...he has PLENTY of pressure on his shoulders. Speaking of pressure, he's been hit a LOT lately with the holes in the offensive line. They've played somewhat better recently but he's still taking some huge shots by defenders.

I believe I'm right about letting a QB develop before giving up on them. Look at Vince Young, he was FAR worse than JC ever was and now could be their future as they had hoped it would be...there are always bumps in the road for a QB to become a franchise QB, even for Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, who was completely replaced when with San Diego. I bet they really regret that move. Rivers is great, but Brees is better.

I am just glad that we didn't get Sanchez or even Cutler and have to start this whole process and learning curve all over again, waiting another 3 years or so for solid production from a young QB. Hopefully he's earned his place in the team's immediate, if not long-term future.
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Maybe. He's also getting more help from his receivers. That's not to take anything away from JC, though. He's been quite impressive. He seems to have a better pocket presence.
He definitely seem to have better pocket presence, although this is also helped by the offense linemen.. If I remember right, Campbell has been sacked only two times in last three games.. So is it really ironically that Campbell, in general, has been playing better in last three games, as well?
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:39 PM   #1238
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No pressure about playoffs is correct, but he's in a contract year and playing for his career's next step. With all of the detractors he's had, not only on here but everywhere I see...he has PLENTY of pressure on his shoulders. Speaking of pressure, he's been hit a LOT lately with the holes in the offensive line. They've played somewhat better recently but he's still taking some huge shots by defenders.

I believe I'm right about letting a QB develop before giving up on them. Look at Vince Young, he was FAR worse than JC ever was and now could be their future as they had hoped it would be...there are always bumps in the road for a QB to become a franchise QB, even for Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, who was completely replaced when with San Diego. I bet they really regret that move. Rivers is great, but Brees is better.

I am just glad that we didn't get Sanchez or even Cutler and have to start this whole process and learning curve all over again, waiting another 3 years or so for solid production from a young QB. Hopefully he's earned his place in the team's immediate, if not long-term future.
Which is why it's kind of odd to point out Sanchez' struggles in his rookie season in my opinion. I mean I know what you're trying to do, but still
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:55 PM   #1239
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Living in San Diego now but still follow the Redskins even out here (once a Skins fan, always a Skins fan).

Wow, what a mess of a season! Offense just never seems in synch... can't believe they didn't add any offense impact players in the offseason.

On Campbell -- he may be successful on another team, but for a variety of factors it'll never happen with the Redskins. Too many negative intangibles, and not a lot of passion for the game. Time for both sides to move on.

It seems every team has a terrible season in the waiting, but if the Skins drafted better - or even had a GM - they wouldn't be in the mess they're in. Can't they find a GM out here somewhere?
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He definitely seem to have better pocket presence, although this is also helped by the offense linemen.. If I remember right, Campbell has been sacked only two times in last three games.. So is it really ironically that Campbell, in general, has been playing better in last three games, as well?
He wasn't sacked very much the first 4 games either. I take issue with people, like Theismann, who claim Campbell has been running for his life since game 1 and couldn't dare be expected to perform at a high level.

Until Samuels went down, Campbell had plenty of time to throw. Especially against pathetic Defenses like the Chiefs, Lions and at the time, the Panthers.

I admit, he has looked great (not just good). But I would credit Sherm and Campbell for the improved play. The very first game Sherm was calling games, we saw JC in shotgun and 3-4 wide receiver formations from within the 10 yard line. And against the Saints, the Skins had one drive where they didn't run the ball once. They went 78 yards in 7 plays, ALL PASSES. There was an immediate and noticeable difference when Sherm took over.

That said, I can only conclude that Zorn was doing a poor job of play calling and maximizing his players potential. Not playing the rooks last year was also stupid. They can obviously play. Once they were out of the playoff hunt last year, Zorn should have given the young guys a heavy dose of playing time.
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:22 PM   #1241
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JC played very well until the game was really on the line. He had some outstanding stick throws yesterday. But again he had a chance to drive us down the field and win the game. Brees delivered, JC didn't. Until he does he's just going to be a middle of the pack QB. He needs to be able to take over when we need him the most. So far he hasn't done it.
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:26 PM   #1242
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Which is why it's kind of odd to point out Sanchez' struggles in his rookie season in my opinion. I mean I know what you're trying to do, but still
Simple and valid explanation...we're comparing the 3 QBs we could have had and how they are performing this season. If we had Sanchez or Cutler, we would be suffering through their insane number of INTs and lack of accuracy right now instead of the Jets or Bears.

Could Sanchez develop into a capable QB later in his career? I don't think he will, but it IS possible. However, Jason is performing the best this season (what we're comparing here) and I believe in the long run will also be the best of the three. Cutler just seems to have some kind of mental block that doesn't allow him to throw to his own team...not quite as bad as Ryan Leaf...but pretty bad!

What do you expect me to do? Take Cutler's numbers this year and then wait 3 years and compare Sanchez' numbers in 2012 to Campbell's 2009 to see if we made the right choice? It could be the fair way to compare apples to apples, but that also proves the point that if we had dumped Campbell for Sanchez, we could have been setting the team's future back another 3+ years. I believed Jason was the best option both short- and long-term for the team and he's proving me correct. This is why I started tracking the 3 possible QBs in the first place, it was a hot debate where people here were in the camps of all three QBs. Earlier in the season, the Campbell detractors maintained a "I told you so, we should have gotten _______!" Being a stats nerd, I wanted to track all three QBs over the season to see if we ended up with the best of the three and if I was right about JC, to have the solid facts to back up my choice. Also, during the team's struggles, I wanted the blame to be on Jason if he was truly playing horribly, but also wanted people to be able to see that he may not be the problem and reason for the team's losses if he was in fact playing well. It's easy to blame quarterbacks for team's losses, but it's NOT always their fault. I knew if we were winning or losing, the Jason Campbell detractors would be hesitant with crediting him but would go out of their way to place all of the blame on him, without even looking at the stats and facts.

He's one of the few bright spots in this disastrous season and he should be around to enjoy the future success of the team (can't sink any lower than this year, right?)
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JC played very well until the game was really on the line. He had some outstanding stick throws yesterday. But again he had a chance to drive us down the field and win the game. Brees delivered, JC didn't. Until he does he's just going to be a middle of the pack QB. He needs to be able to take over when we need him the most. So far he hasn't done it.
To be fair, that game WAS won by us in regulation. Even without Suisham's choke, the refs completely stole the victory from us. Tough to blame Campbell or anyone on the team aside from Suisham for the loss...our team DID win the game in reality, but apparently the league wanted the Saints to remain undefeated.
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To be fair, that game WAS won by us in regulation. Even without Suisham's choke, the refs completely stole the victory from us. Tough to blame Campbell or anyone on the team aside from Suisham for the loss...our team DID win the game in reality, but apparently the league wanted the Saints to remain undefeated.
I must have missed that game.
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To be fair, that game WAS won by us in regulation. Even without Suisham's choke, the refs completely stole the victory from us. Tough to blame Campbell or anyone on the team aside from Suisham for the loss...our team DID win the game in reality, but apparently the league wanted the Saints to remain undefeated.
I'm not blaming the refs. Nor am I blaming JC. He played very well against a beat up secondary. He should've played well yesterday!!! All I'm saying is when the game really needs to be won he needs to take over. On that last drive he needed to take us down the field and win the game. Instead he threw a horrible INT. But let's not blame the refs. We all know they're terrible and most of the time it evens out.
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