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Old 11-22-2009, 08:27 PM   #1231
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I thought JC made some good quick throws with ppl in his face for the most part. I cant really point out a play where i caught myself second guessing what he did under the circumstances. We didnt get the ball in the endzone but i was feeling good about how we got the youngsters involved in the game. MK had a good play and DT is showing signs of "getting it" while Davis has done a good job filling in for Cooley. I hate to see us lose in a game where our defense played their butts off, but there where plays that were there to be made that could have turned the outcome. We have to make those to get off of this slide we are on. lets hope we can turn it around these next few games and at least have some positives as we look to the future of our team.
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Old 11-22-2009, 08:32 PM   #1232
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news flash campbell is not an accurate passer!!!!!!!!!!!

he is a game manager nothing more nothing less

and did i mention he's not accurate, cause he isn't, not even close, not at all
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:05 PM   #1233
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news flash campbell is not an accurate passer!!!!!!!!!!!

he is a game manager nothing more nothing less

and did i mention he's not accurate, cause he isn't, not even close, not at all
I know you have your mind made up about Campbell, but Romo missed a ton of throws today. He was far worse than Campbell. And as we speak, I'm watching Cutler miss two wide open guys in the end zone. So much for the Cutler v Campbell debate.
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:23 PM   #1234
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ok i know cutler is/was a decent qb in denver, but wtf is the deal with (almost)EVERYONE thinking he is a great qb? granted he has put up some good numbers but wtf everyone makes excuses for this guy i don't get it, i just watched sports center and they claim that 3 of the int's in the san fran game were not his fault(he threw 5), i'm sorry i guess i really don't see what everyone else does, i see this guy as a mediocre qb and nothing more seriously wtf has he done to get so much praise

my thoughts on cutler from the cutler thread
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:35 PM   #1235
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Thank goodness he's not a lefty. Becuase Heyer protecting his blind side would be hellacious. Heyer was getting blown up all day long.
Yeah he was either getting tossed around like a rag doll or he was committing false starts. Talk about a guy I'm fed up with. All I know is he sure as hell better not be back as a starter next year.
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:37 PM   #1236
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ok i know cutler is/was a decent qb in denver, but wtf is the deal with (almost)EVERYONE thinking he is a great qb? granted he has put up some good numbers but wtf everyone makes excuses for this guy i don't get it, i just watched sports center and they claim that 3 of the int's in the san fran game were not his fault(he threw 5), i'm sorry i guess i really don't see what everyone else does, i see this guy as a mediocre qb and nothing more seriously wtf has he done to get so much praise

my thoughts on cutler from the cutler thread
No kidding. Imagine if we gave up a couple of first rounders for this bum?
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Old 11-23-2009, 10:08 AM   #1237
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UPDATED stats/assessment...all 3 QBs' teams lost, fair comparison!


Cutler:
WK 11 - 24/43 (55.8%), 171 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 63.2 rating, 11 rush yds
TOTAL: 235/381 (61.7%), 2,524 yds, 15 TD, 18 INT, 74.5 rating, 122 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 11 - 8/21 (38.1%), 136 yds, 1 TD, 4 INT, 37.1 rating, 2 rush yds
TOTAL: 138/265 (52.1%), 1,791 yds, 10 TD, 16 INT, 61.1 rating, 62 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 11 - 24/37 (64.9%), 256 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT, 73.7 rating, 0 rush yds
TOTAL: 192/291 (66.0%), 2,126 yds, 10 TD, 9 INT, 86.1 rating, 158 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell (66.0%), Cutler (61.7%), Sanchez (52.1%)
Yds = Cutler (2,524) Campbell (2,216) Sanchez (1,791)
TDs = Cutler (15), Campbell/Sanchez (10)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (9), Sanchez (16), Cutler (18)
QB rating = Campbell (86.1), Cutler (74.5), Sanchez (61.1)
Rush yds = Campbell (158), Cutler (122), Sanchez(62)


Week 11 Campbell overview:
Campbell's offensive teammates continue to disappear to injury. First his offensive line, then Portis and Cooley, now Ladell Betts is gone with torn knee ligaments, just as soon as he began providing a huge spark to the slow offense in the previous 6 quarters. Now, the Redskins are using their kick returner and an unknown guy they just picked up again as their running game. However, despite the losses, Jason Campbell continues to be steady if not impressive considering the avalanche. One play that really impressed me in the game vs. Dallas was the spin move and escape from a sure sack, then finding Devin Thomas downfield for a 26-yard gain. Campbell spread the ball around well on Sunday, finding seven different receivers and finally getting Santana Moss involved with five catches. Jason could not manage any touchdowns and had one interception, but otherwise had a solid game, completing 64.9% of his passes (24/37) for 256 yards. His counterpart, Tony Romo only threw for 158 yards at a 55% rate, also with a pick.

Jay Cutler had another unimpressive, unproductive game. He threw for only 171 yards, despite attempting 43 passes! He barely completed half of his passes and added yet another interception to his total, now at 18, exactly double the number of picks thrown by Jason Campbell.

Mark Sanchez may be finding himself on the bench soon if he continues his horrid play. In Week 11, he was a shocking 8/21 passing, that's a 38% completion rate. Somehow he managed 136 yards and a TD, but threw FOUR INTERCEPTIONS. He's catching up to Jay Cutler for the NFL's interception lead, now with 16...second only to Cutler's 18 for the most INTs thrown this year.

Jason Campbell's QB rating of 86.1 remains at 16th best in the league, just behind Carson Palmer. Cutler is 24th and Sanchez is near the bottom for starting QBs, ranked 31st in the stat. JC is also catching up to Cutler in yardage with solid totals the last few weeks.

Yet another week that Campbell is the only of these three QBs who not only did not hurt his team badly by poor performance, but was actually the only one that put up respectable numbers.
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Old 11-23-2009, 10:17 AM   #1238
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I really wanted Cutler and Sanchez to have awful seasons (petty I know) because of the offseason drama. And I would be loving life, if we had the corresponding excellent season I had hoped for. Now it is just not as fun...
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Old 11-23-2009, 10:50 AM   #1239
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I really wanted Cutler and Sanchez to have awful seasons (petty I know) because of the offseason drama. And I would be loving life, if we had the corresponding excellent season I had hoped for. Now it is just not as fun...

2 outta 3 isn't bad.

I was also hoping for a huge breakout year from Campbell, but he just doesn't have a team around him OR coaches that will allow it. I am happy with what he has been able to do and think he's earned a return. He's clearly better than the possible replacements for him, even working with less talent and more chaos.
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Old 11-23-2009, 11:28 AM   #1240
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UPDATED stats/assessment...all 3 QBs' teams lost, fair comparison!



Campbell:
WK 11 - 24/37 (64.9%), 256 yds, TD, 1 INT, 73.7 rating, 0 rush yds
TOTAL: 192/291 (66.0%), 2,126 yds, 10 TD, 9 INT, 86.1 rating, 158 rush yds



Jason Campbell's QB rating of 86.1 remains at 16th best in the league,
maybe im reading this wrong but i didnt know we scored a TD this week. i have a feeling im missing something.

and 16th in the league sounds about right, w/out all the injuries on offense i could see him just outside the top 10 for qbs.

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Old 11-23-2009, 11:31 AM   #1241
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I can't be mad at Campbell this week, he played pretty well against the cowboys.

Only if he can keep playing like this...
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Old 11-23-2009, 11:41 AM   #1242
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maybe im reading this wrong but i didnt know we scored a TD this week. i have a feeling im missing something.

and 16th in the league sounds about right, w/out all the injuries on offense i could see him just outside the top 10 for qbs.

go skins!

Didn't put a number beside TD, but also forgot the '0'. I type over my template every week and just update the stats instead of re-typing the entire thing every week.

Simple typo, thanks for spotting it.
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Old 11-30-2009, 03:35 PM   #1243
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UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell made like a Detroit Lions broadcast and blacked out.


Cutler:
WK 12 - 18/23 (71.6%), 147 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, 71.6 rating, 16 rush yds
TOTAL: 253/404 (62.6%), 2,671 yds, 16 TD, 20 INT,74.4 rating, 138 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 12 -13/17 (76.5%), 154 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT, 79.0 rating, 27 rush yds
TOTAL: 151/282 (53.5%), 1,945 yds, 10 TD, 17 INT, 62.1 rating, 89 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 12 - 22/37 (59.5%), 231 yds, 2 TD, 2 INT, 73.7 rating, 2 rush yds
TOTAL: 214/328 (65.2%), 2,357 yds, 12 TD, 11 INT, 84.6 rating, 160 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell (65.2%), Cutler (62.6%), Sanchez (53.5%)
Yds = Cutler (2,671) Campbell (2,357) Sanchez (1,945)
TDs = Cutler (16), Campbell (12), Sanchez (10)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (11), Sanchez (17), Cutler (20)
QB rating = Campbell (84.6), Cutler (74.4), Sanchez (62.1)
Rush yds = Campbell (160), Cutler (138), Sanchez(89)


Week 12 Campbell overview:
A very up-and-down game for Campbell. He accounted for 3 TDs. One on the ground and two through the air to Fred Davis and Santana Moss. He easily outpassed the other two QBs in the total column, but Cutler and Sanchez both had rare efficient days in terms of completion percentage and QB rating, although they both had more INTs than TDs and very low yardage totals. JC had the opposite kind of game, more TDs than TOs and more yards despite his accuracy being somewhat off this game. Typically, he's the most accurate passer of the three and doesn't throw INTs in bunches. This is only the second game with more than one INT for Campbell. He had only two multiple-INT games last season. One area of great improvement for Jason has been his ability to hold onto the ball as the season has progressed, despite his line breaking down even further every week. Jason has not fumbled the ball since Week 7 now. Last season, he only lost one fumble. Three early in this season but that seems to have been corrected. One of the major knocks against Jason early in his career was his proneness to fumbles, with 8 lost in the 2007 season. With the lack of protection he's still receiving, it's a miracle he has only three fumbles this season (at least one was Rabach's fault) and somehow has managed to not put the ball on the ground in the last 4 games.

Campbell was most impressive on the TD drive where he had back-to-back completions of 29 yards to Davis and 35 yards to Thomas before throwing a TD pass to Fred to finish off a quick 80-yard drive that had three conversions on 3rd-and-long.

In 4 of the last 5 games (Dallas game aside), the offense has been scoring and producing under Campbell. His last 5 game totals are 284, 196, 193, 256 and 231 yards each.

Without the two INTs thrown to Asante Samuel yesterday, there would be very little to criticize with yesterday's game.

Let's hope Jason's health is OK going forward after "blacking out" from that final hit taken against Philly. We will need his arm against New Orleans to have any hope of an upset. With the #1-ranked passing defense, we have a chance to make the game interesting if the offense can continue to score like they have begun to do lately. With Todd Collins behind center, any downfield game is gone and the passing game will not intimidate any defense, especially one coached by Gregg Williams.
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Old 11-30-2009, 03:50 PM   #1244
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You have to take those two interceptions into account though. Those were poor throws and worse decisions by Campbell
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Old 11-30-2009, 04:15 PM   #1245
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You have to take those two interceptions into account though. Those were poor throws and worse decisions by Campbell
I did, hence the "up-and-down day" description for the game. Fact is though, he was the only of the three QBs who contributed more TDs then turnovers, so out of these QBs, he had the best day...even if not a completely stellar day. For the season, he's far less prone to the picks than Cutler and Sanchez, who are at the tops in the NFL in INTs thrown.
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