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Old 11-30-2009, 10:08 PM   #1246
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YouTube - John Riggins on Jason Campbell & Eagles
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Old 11-30-2009, 10:21 PM   #1247
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yeah he says the same thing everyone else has said and we will just have to wait and see. i hope he stays here, because we won't have a better option next year unless colt tears s up inpresaeson against number 1's

for me i'll say it again, middle of the pack qb, nothing special, but by far not the worst in the nfl

as far as riggo, i love the guy, but he is losing it, now he even has to edit himself, there was atleast two cutaways there maybe three, he just seems to ramble on
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I can't wait for the latest updates on this thread after this game.
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Old 12-07-2009, 12:15 PM   #1249
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UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell is on fire.

Cutler:
WK 13 - 8/17 (47.1%), 143 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 96.0 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 261/421 (62.0%), 2,814 yds, 17 TD,
20 INT, 75.3 rating, 136 rush yds

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7/15 (46.7%), 104 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 92.1 rating, 8 rush yds
TOTAL: 158/297 (53.2%), 2,049 yds, 11 TD, 17 INT, 63.7 rating, 97 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 13 - 30/42 (71.4%), 367 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 111.9 rating, -1 rush yds
TOTAL: 244/370 (65.9%), 2,724 yds, 15 TD, 12 INT, 87.7 rating, 159 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell (65.9%), Cutler (62.0%), Sanchez (53.2%)
Yds = Cutler (2,814) Campbell (2,724) Sanchez (2,049)
TDs = Cutler (17), Campbell (15), Sanchez (11)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (12), Sanchez (17), Cutler (20)
QB rating = Campbell (87.7), Cutler (75.3), Sanchez (63.7)
Rush yds = Campbell (159), Cutler (136), Sanchez(97)


Week 13 Campbell overview:

Jason Campbell is officially on a hot streak. He's posting passing numbers that the Redskins have not enjoyed since Mark Brunell went on a rare productive streak in 2005's Weeks 5-7 and probably not since Mark Rypien before then. He's caught up to Cutler in yards and TDs and is on pace to easily surpass Jay before season's end in those two remaining categories that Campbell's not leading the other two QBs in. He's spreading the ball around nearly as well as Drew Brees lately. Don't believe me? Campbell hit 9 different receivers on Sunday vs. the Saints. Brees completed passes to 7. He had 9 productive receivers last week against the Eagles and 7 against Dallas two weeks ago also. Am I honestly comparing Campbell to Brees? Of course not, that would be ridiculous because Brees is one of the 3 top QBs in the league and is clearly in another class...but Jason is spreading the ball around and moving the offense effectively, not merely efficiently as we had previously just hoped for.

Campbell's last three games went for 256, 231 and 367 yard (vs Saints). Cutler, on the other hand now has posted 3 weeks in a row with under 175 yards passing while Sanchez has 3 weeks in a row 154 yards and under. Cutler and Sanchez have had absolutely anemic performances lately, with low yardage, inaccuracy and 3 TDs/8 INTs for Cutler and 3 TD/7 INTs for Sanchez in the last month. Meanwhile in the same period, Campbell has as many TD passes as both QBs combined (6, plus an additional TD rushing) and only 4 INTs in the previous 4 games. It's very obvious that Jason Campbell was the right choice of the three QBs for the Redskins this season and I'm hoping...beyond. Despite the team's turmoil, possibly losing Mike Sellers now...Jason continues to improve his game and keep the team competitive...which is all we can really ask in a lost season like we're experiencing.

Jason may be winning himself a job in the future for the Redskins and based on what we're seeing him develop into, I'm happy if he's our starter next season with hopefully a revamped coaching/management staff and bolstered offensive line. He's proving to be a true leader. We honestly should have won the New Orleans game and Jason would have been the number one reason if we had. We're all praising Devin Thomas and Fred Davis for showing up and producing big lately, yet do we remember that their successes are directly attributed to the quarterback getting the ball in their hands? Last week, I praised Jason's impressive fade route completion to Malcolm Kelly in another thread and was attacked with the line "it's a fluke, he can't hit that throw!" Well, I saw the same kind of completion to Devin Thomas yesterday and he also continued to hit deep throws to a variety of targets. Jason is the real deal. It's time to recognize that he has grown into a capable NFL starter. Many other top rookie QBs took 3+ years to really start shining as well. With all of the change in schemes, coaching and injuries to personnel around Jason, I think he's progressed on a fair time table. Far too many of us expected him to turn into a star overnight and we unfairly gave up on him too quickly. Maybe we've been spoiled by the first-year successes of Flacco and Ryan, but immediate success by a rookie QB is not the norm, it's the rare exception. Instant gratification has caused us to lose patience and forced us to give up on some people too early. Devin Thomas may also be proving that even 1st and 2nd-round draft picks can take some time to develop, but the wait can be worth it. The Redskins' QB position has been an inconsistent revolving door of mediocrity since Mark Rypien left. Even Rypien was our leader for far too short of a time period, so it could be said that Joe Theisman was our last star, consistent QB. Our franchise needs to stop giving up on QBs and let one actually develop properly, and it appears that's exactly what Jason Campbell is doing. He has the upside to be a Pro Bowl caliber, top 10 NFL QB is we give him both the tools and just the chance to succeed into that player.

I fully expect him to torch the Oakland Raiders as well next game.
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Old 12-07-2009, 12:19 PM   #1250
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JC really showed something yesterday.
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dangit i should have asked before you started doing this buster, but id be interested in seeing the y/pa stat. imo thats a very important stat if we are comparing stats. last year JC had a pretty good y/pa if i remember correctly and, atleast with this last game, he might actually be on pace to increase his y/pa from last year.

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Old 12-07-2009, 12:20 PM   #1252
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JC really showed something yesterday.
That he did. So impressive. We were all worried about Gregg Williams' D...myself included...and Jason embarrassed them.

He's on a great run the last 3 weeks against 3 very tough opponents.
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buster, good stuff. im not sure where i stand on Campbell? while i don't think he is the problem, im not sure if he is the answer, either
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dangit i should have asked before you started doing this buster, but id be interested in seeing the y/pa stat. imo thats a very important stat if we are comparing stats. last year JC had a pretty good y/pa if i remember correctly and, atleast with this last game, he might actually be on pace to increase his y/pa from last year.

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7.36 Campbell
6.90 Sanchez
6.68 Cutler


For comparison's sake:
9.02 Brees
8.55 Roethlisberger
8.25 Rodgers
8.01 P. Manning
7.95 Matt Schaub
7.94 Brady
7.86 Rivers
7.83 McNabb
7.81 Favre
7.72 E. Manning
7.08 Romo
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I have also been impress with JC's play the past couple of weeks. I wonder if his improvement is because does not have alot of preasure on him with us out of the playoffs and is just going out and playing?
Maybe. He's also getting more help from his receivers. That's not to take anything away from JC, though. He's been quite impressive. He seems to have a better pocket presence.
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I have also been impress with JC's play the past couple of weeks. I wonder if his improvement is because does not have alot of preasure on him with us out of the playoffs and is just going out and playing?
No pressure about playoffs is correct, but he's in a contract year and playing for his career's next step. With all of the detractors he's had, not only on here but everywhere I see...he has PLENTY of pressure on his shoulders. Speaking of pressure, he's been hit a LOT lately with the holes in the offensive line. They've played somewhat better recently but he's still taking some huge shots by defenders.

I believe I'm right about letting a QB develop before giving up on them. Look at Vince Young, he was FAR worse than JC ever was and now could be their future as they had hoped it would be...there are always bumps in the road for a QB to become a franchise QB, even for Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, who was completely replaced when with San Diego. I bet they really regret that move. Rivers is great, but Brees is better.

I am just glad that we didn't get Sanchez or even Cutler and have to start this whole process and learning curve all over again, waiting another 3 years or so for solid production from a young QB. Hopefully he's earned his place in the team's immediate, if not long-term future.
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Maybe. He's also getting more help from his receivers. That's not to take anything away from JC, though. He's been quite impressive. He seems to have a better pocket presence.
He definitely seem to have better pocket presence, although this is also helped by the offense linemen.. If I remember right, Campbell has been sacked only two times in last three games.. So is it really ironically that Campbell, in general, has been playing better in last three games, as well?
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No pressure about playoffs is correct, but he's in a contract year and playing for his career's next step. With all of the detractors he's had, not only on here but everywhere I see...he has PLENTY of pressure on his shoulders. Speaking of pressure, he's been hit a LOT lately with the holes in the offensive line. They've played somewhat better recently but he's still taking some huge shots by defenders.

I believe I'm right about letting a QB develop before giving up on them. Look at Vince Young, he was FAR worse than JC ever was and now could be their future as they had hoped it would be...there are always bumps in the road for a QB to become a franchise QB, even for Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, who was completely replaced when with San Diego. I bet they really regret that move. Rivers is great, but Brees is better.

I am just glad that we didn't get Sanchez or even Cutler and have to start this whole process and learning curve all over again, waiting another 3 years or so for solid production from a young QB. Hopefully he's earned his place in the team's immediate, if not long-term future.
Which is why it's kind of odd to point out Sanchez' struggles in his rookie season in my opinion. I mean I know what you're trying to do, but still
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Living in San Diego now but still follow the Redskins even out here (once a Skins fan, always a Skins fan).

Wow, what a mess of a season! Offense just never seems in synch... can't believe they didn't add any offense impact players in the offseason.

On Campbell -- he may be successful on another team, but for a variety of factors it'll never happen with the Redskins. Too many negative intangibles, and not a lot of passion for the game. Time for both sides to move on.

It seems every team has a terrible season in the waiting, but if the Skins drafted better - or even had a GM - they wouldn't be in the mess they're in. Can't they find a GM out here somewhere?
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He definitely seem to have better pocket presence, although this is also helped by the offense linemen.. If I remember right, Campbell has been sacked only two times in last three games.. So is it really ironically that Campbell, in general, has been playing better in last three games, as well?
He wasn't sacked very much the first 4 games either. I take issue with people, like Theismann, who claim Campbell has been running for his life since game 1 and couldn't dare be expected to perform at a high level.

Until Samuels went down, Campbell had plenty of time to throw. Especially against pathetic Defenses like the Chiefs, Lions and at the time, the Panthers.

I admit, he has looked great (not just good). But I would credit Sherm and Campbell for the improved play. The very first game Sherm was calling games, we saw JC in shotgun and 3-4 wide receiver formations from within the 10 yard line. And against the Saints, the Skins had one drive where they didn't run the ball once. They went 78 yards in 7 plays, ALL PASSES. There was an immediate and noticeable difference when Sherm took over.

That said, I can only conclude that Zorn was doing a poor job of play calling and maximizing his players potential. Not playing the rooks last year was also stupid. They can obviously play. Once they were out of the playoff hunt last year, Zorn should have given the young guys a heavy dose of playing time.
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