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Old 12-07-2009, 11:30 PM   #1261
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What a difference pass protection makes.
I'm not talking about defensive pressure. I'm talking about the pressure of winning every game. Because once you're out of the playoff hunt there's no pressure to perform.
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Old 12-07-2009, 11:31 PM   #1262
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If your team has the lead late in the 4th quarter=putting your team in a position to win.
Especially when your kicker misses an easy one that would have put you up by ten inside of the 2 minute warning.
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Old 12-08-2009, 10:54 AM   #1263
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I'm not talking about defensive pressure. I'm talking about the pressure of winning every game. Because once you're out of the playoff hunt there's no pressure to perform.
You don't think the actual on the field pass protection has anything to do with JC performance? Even more then some perceived pressure to perform?
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Old 12-08-2009, 12:00 PM   #1264
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Even Patrick Ramsey had 300 yard games every now and then. I'd like to see some consistency from him before jumping on the Campbell bandwagon. If a new CBA isnt reached before the march deadline, slapping a RFA tag on him and keeping him another year is a no-brainer - no matter who our HC is or what offense we're running. On the flip side, if a new CBA is reached, and campbell becomes a FA, its probably worth tagging him. he'll be the top FA QB available in a very weak QB market - someone will trade a 2nd rounder for him.
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Old 12-08-2009, 12:05 PM   #1265
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As much as I like Campbell's personality and the way he has played in the last few games, but it hasn't effected the bottom line... WINS.
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Old 12-08-2009, 01:31 PM   #1266
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Even Patrick Ramsey had 300 yard games every now and then. I'd like to see some consistency from him before jumping on the Campbell bandwagon. If a new CBA isnt reached before the march deadline, slapping a RFA tag on him and keeping him another year is a no-brainer - no matter who our HC is or what offense we're running. On the flip side, if a new CBA is reached, and campbell becomes a FA, its probably worth tagging him. he'll be the top FA QB available in a very weak QB market - someone will trade a 2nd rounder for him.
yeah, we still have 4 games to go and id like to see how things play out and if JC's improved play is something real that can built upon or if hes just getting hot for a few games.

he played great against the saints, all things considered, but we lost and when we had a chance to take it down the field to win the game JC threw an int.

against the boys we lost 7-6, again we had a chance to go down field and win the game but we didnt.

i would def put a tender on JC thoo, no mater what happens for the rest of the season. that way we can draft a top end OT (not a qb), kept JC and worry about finding a franchise QB next year or so when (hopefully) we can afford and be in position to use resources to draft/acquire that missing franchise piece.

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Old 12-08-2009, 02:10 PM   #1267
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his recent play has definitely been significantly better, certainly more so than the goofy stats based "view point" this thread was originally based on.

I think the major concern should be the timing of his improved performance, and the fact that he's still failing and looking like his old hesitant self. Especially late in games; where a sustained drive for a TD wins either or both of the last few games.

He seems to play better when the game is either out of reach or there's less pressure (like now that the season is out of reach...) Once the game is on the line though.... Well lets put it this way did anyone feel like it would be Campbell and not Romo throwing a late game winning touchdown? I mean before Romo was the one who threw it? It was even more obvious when it was Brees or Campbell who had to win the game... EVERYONE saw that coming. Even before the missed kick, there was already a rank odor of "ut oh, here we go again" after that interception Campbell threw.

In a game where a last minute TD drive to go ahead is the holy grail of QB play Jason Campbell is not even living up to his mediocre stats by doing it a mediocre amount of the time...

I know there are fans who like him and want him to succeed because he's a nice guy but If a kicker makes the vast majority of his field goals but misses the ones that matter most, he's gone... How is this any different from a QB who looks okay most of the time but never puts together drives when it matters most?
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his recent play has definitely been significantly better, certainly more so than the goofy stats based "view point" this thread was originally based on.

I think the major concern should be the timing of his improved performance, and the fact that he's still failing and looking like his old hesitant self. Especially late in games; where a sustained drive for a TD wins either or both of the last few games.

He seems to play better when the game is either out of reach or there's less pressure (like now that the season is out of reach...) Once the game is on the line though.... Well lets put it this way did anyone feel like it would be Campbell and not Romo throwing a late game winning touchdown? I mean before Romo was the one who threw it? It was even more obvious when it was Brees or Campbell who had to win the game... EVERYONE saw that coming. Even before the missed kick, there was already a rank odor of "ut oh, here we go again" after that interception Campbell threw.

In a game where a last minute TD drive to go ahead is the holy grail of QB play Jason Campbell is not even living up to his mediocre stats by doing it a mediocre amount of the time...

I know there are fans who like him and want him to succeed because he's a nice guy but If a kicker makes the vast majority of his field goals but misses the ones that matter most, he's gone... How is this any different from a QB who looks okay most of the time but never puts together drives when it matters most
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because there were seemingly better options that shushi, what's better than jc? i can definitly name you a few worse than him in the league
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:19 PM   #1269
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On the flip side, if a new CBA is reached, and campbell becomes a FA, its probably worth tagging him. he'll be the top FA QB available in a very weak QB market - someone will trade a 2nd rounder for him.
I don't know about that... The draft has some very good QB's and even ignoring the draft I look around and I don't see many teams where JC would be welcomed aboard as a starting QB.... So IMO a 2nd round pick is not going to happen.

Do you sit Josh Freeman for JC? No, Gerrard? Don't think so, Maybe Buffalo is interested, but surely that would be an "open to competition" situation right? Raiders? No chance, Gradkowski already looks better than Campbell. San fran Alex Smith looks very good so no chance... Does Denver sit Orton for Campbell? No way... Quinn? Nope Quinn has way more upside, Detroit? Not Stafford No. . Henne looks better and has upside... Cassels... of course not not with the big contract. Seriously I don't think JC is a CLEAR upgrade for any team in the league besides POSSILBY Buffalo and that's a situation where they ALREADY have a young QB they invested in and would at best be an open competition with Campbell being the underdog... Hesselback? No, Vince Young? LOL yeah right... Delhomme maybe competition there with the incumbent having the advantage and a big contract... Cutler... maybe if they hadn't paid so much for him they're pretty stuck with him. Maybe I'm missing someone obvious but I don't see a team that FOR SURE even offers Campbell a fair shot at the starting position based on camp and preseason... Except the Redskins... Even his BEST prospect is competing with a high draft pick.

The Skins need to draft a potential franchise QB with the understanding that he wont play the first season at least. and offer Campbell a fair shot to compete for starting QB next season... With an open competition between Bartel, Campbell and Brennan... I can't be the only one who wants to See Bartel... Parcells finds better undrafted and late round QB's than most teams do with high draft picks. Unfortunately unless someone steps up next season, or the draft pick pulls a Rothlesberger and beats the other three out in spectacular fasion, then next season is a throw away year.

Speculating Mike Vick may be (for some teams) a more exciting possibility than Campbell... I think with Snyders facination with big names the Skins might even be interested. I like Vick's prospects to be a featured wildcat QB, for a team willing to try to run the cat 40 or 50% of the downs... No ones going to bring Vick in to be a conventional QB, but a GM/Coach with some creativity could build an unconventional offense around Vick...
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:23 PM   #1270
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because there were seemingly better options that shushi, what's better than jc? i can definitly name you a few worse than him in the league
What a ringing endorsement... Jason Campbell because if we try to improve we might end up with someone worse...
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:23 PM   #1271
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Wow....^^^ you really think Gradkowsky is better than Campbell? he's got a raiders jersey on, automatically one of the worst players in the league lol
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I don't know about that... The draft has some very good QB's and even ignoring the draft I look around and I don't see many teams where JC would be welcomed aboard as a starting QB.... So IMO a 2nd round pick is not going to happen.
The draft has plenty of developmental QBs, but there's not a single one of them that can start in week 1 of 2010 and, in my opinion, you don't spend a first round pick (especially a high one) on a player who cannot make an immediate impact. You also have to look at how many teams will be looking for new coaches in 2010. And what is one thing that almost every new coach wants? A veteran quarterback. If Cowher ends up in Carolina, he's going to want a veteran QB and Campbell's the cream of the available crop. Campbell is improving his stock every week. He's showing what he can do when his line protects him and his receivers make plays. If we don't want to retain Campbell, there's certainly going to be a team out there who'd trade a 2nd for him.
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:37 PM   #1273
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The draft has plenty of developmental QBs, but there's not a single one of them that can start in week 1 of 2010 and, in my opinion, you don't spend a first round pick (especially a high one) on a player who cannot make an immediate impact. You also have to look at how many teams will be looking for new coaches in 2010. And what is one thing that almost every new coach wants? A veteran quarterback. If Cowher ends up in Carolina, he's going to want a veteran QB and Campbell's the cream of the available crop. Campbell is improving his stock every week. He's showing what he can do when his line protects him and his receivers make plays. If we don't want to retain Campbell, there's certainly going to be a team out there who'd trade a 2nd for him.
You sure about that?

Mike Smith-rookie Matt Ryan
John Harbaugh-rookie Joe Flacco
Jim Schwartz-rookie Matt Stafford
Rex Ryan-rookie Mark Sanchez

I think there will be a market for Campbell (Arizona, Carolina, Seattle, Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, St. Louis are all possibilities) but I think it will be a 3rd rounder at best
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:39 PM   #1274
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No I think Jason Campbell is not CLEARLY a better QB than Gradkowski, and it's unlikely that the Raiders would view Campbell as clearly better and worth sending a 2nd round draft pick to the skins for. JC is a known commodity at this point (a middling QB)... Young guys and guys who haven't played much like Gradkowski, Vince Young, Alex Smith and Brady Quinn MIGHT turn out worse, or they MIGHT turn out much better, they have upside that Campbell doesn't... If you read what I wrote you'll see I'm saying None of those guys will be benched for Campbell as a sure thing, at BEST those teams hypothetically bring in Campbell to compete for the starting job... I don't think they spend 2nd round picks to bring in "competition".
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More than anything a coach wants "his guy" at QB. Not sure it matters if he's a rook or a vet.
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