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Old 12-08-2009, 03:52 PM   #1276
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You sure about that?

Mike Smith-rookie Matt Ryan
John Harbaugh-rookie Joe Flacco
Jim Schwartz-rookie Matt Stafford
Rex Ryan-rookie Mark Sanchez

I think there will be a market for Campbell (Arizona, Carolina, Seattle, Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, St. Louis are all possibilities) but I think it will be a 3rd rounder at best
i guess i should have clarified - when i made that statement, i was thinking more of the former HCs who will be looking for jobs in 2010. all the guys you mentioned were rookie HCs on teams that were, for all intents and purposes, rebuilding their teams from the ground up. However, its worth noting that, Matt Ryan aside, none of those teams drafted a rookie QB and expected to start him in 2010. Flacco won the job due to injuries to the guys above him and Sanchez and Stafford competed with veterans all through camp to earn starting jobs. In the case of Detroit, Culpepper was acquired to be the starter. In 2010, i see alot of "premier" franchises pursuing experienced HCs. Before the past 3 games, i'd have said Campbell wouldnt get more than a 3rd or 4th rounder. But if he continues playing like he has, he'd garner a 2nd and possibly another later round pick as well. The market for veteran QBs will be strong and the supply will be slim.
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:02 PM   #1277
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A few points that guy from Notre Dame is repeatedly mentioned as able to start his first year right out of the draft.

Ah the Rams I missed them, so the Rams and Buffalo are JC's best prospects and in both cases he would be viewed as competition, and might not even be viewed as desirable depending on who the Rams draft.

Cardinals? Um Matt Leinart? Sorry at best JC is viewed as a backup and probably does not have a real shot at the starting role unless Leinart Struggles.

Carolina Delhomme has a huge contract but you never know... Campbell is certainly not a sexy QB compared to what they have had in the past.

Seattle, their backup already looks better than Campbell

Browns... seriously I know most fans don't maybe watch that much of other teams, but if Brady Quinn isn't the Browns future Jason Campbell sure as hell isn't...
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:16 PM   #1278
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Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie

I think you're exposing your basic biases against Campbell
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A few points that guy from Notre Dame is repeatedly mentioned as able to start his first year right out of the draft.

Ah the Rams I missed them, so the Rams and Buffalo are JC's best prospects and in both cases he would be viewed as competition, and might not even be viewed as desirable depending on who the Rams draft.

Cardinals? Um Matt Leinart? Sorry at best JC is viewed as a backup and probably does not have a real shot at the starting role unless Leinart Struggles.

Carolina Delhomme has a huge contract but you never know... Campbell is certainly not a sexy QB compared to what they have had in the past.

Seattle, their backup already looks better than Campbell

Browns... seriously I know most fans don't maybe watch that much of other teams, but if Brady Quinn isn't the Browns future Jason Campbell sure as hell isn't...
im really torn on Campbell, but he is wayyy better then Seneca Wallace
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:20 PM   #1280
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44 70, a month ago, i would have agreed with you argument about Campbell. Have you been watching the past few games? I can't be sure exactly what has caused it, but Campbell is looking like a true, starting-caliber, QB. I'm not 100% sold on him yet, but i'm getting close. We'll see how he plays out the next 4 games, but if he keeps it up, I think he's made a good case for himself to start SOMEWHERE in 2010. Will he be a top 10 NFL QB? No. Top 15? Sure looks like it the past few weeks. Top 20? I think he's already proven that.
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:25 PM   #1281
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I think these last 4 games have been the best in Campbells career and guess what. The line is blocking, only proves my point about him.

Line does their job, he does well as do the RB's, line doesn't the RB's don't.

If Snyder gets rid of Campbell to get some BS big name College kid, I will have lost all confidence in this franchise.
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:07 PM   #1282
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The redskins offense not only is playing well right now, but seems to be getting better from week to week. It actually wouldn't surprise me if they win in 2 weeks agains the giants, who in the last few years have had the redskins' number.

Campbell's been playing well and the entire offense has played well. I don't know what came first, but I do know that you need to keep this version of the redskins offense together for next year. With all of the unorthodox methods like the 4x4 relay of play/bingo calling and with the perceived underachievers and never-beens -- I am still having fun watching the redskins offense. Something that I haven't said for a long time now.
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:10 PM   #1283
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I think you're exposing your basic biases against Campbell
that would assume I'm hiding it in the first place. Still there's more than one kind of bias, There's unfair Bias that has not been earned, and perfectly reasonable bias that has sprung from patent realistic appraisal, The latter lets you make decisions that might otherwise be overly clouded with emotion.

While looking decent for 2 or 3 quarter of most games JC has failed to deliver in multiple games where he had the game in his hands near the end. That's an objective observation. It's unequivocal evidence that Campbell isn't the QB the skins need him to be. All the stats in the world don't compare to the question: does he perform when it matters most? The answer is no, and after well over 40 games as a starter it is perfectly reasonable to say that we've seen what we've got... We saw in his first two seasons, but most of us afforded him excuses.

Now unfair "bias" on the other hand, would be using statistics compiled against 6 of the worst teams in the league to try and portray Campbell as a better QB than he really is, due to an emotional investment in the person. Disregarding what the eyes tell you on a game by game basis.
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:16 PM   #1284
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I think Campbell is playing as well as any qb out there in the last 3 weeks. My only knock on him is - he should have been playing like this at the start of the season.
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Unfair bias is thinking Jason Campbell wouldn't be a better option at QB for the Seahawks than a 5'10" 30 year-old QB...never mind that Campbell's former QB coach Bill Lazor now has the same role in Seattle.
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Old 12-08-2009, 08:27 PM   #1286
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Okay has Hasselbeck announced his retirement? If he has I'll give you the point that Seattle may be interested in Campbell... but I suspect they may be interested in drafting a QB as well. I admit Campbell is better than Wallace I shouldn't have gone that far, but I don't see Seattle thinking JC is so much better that they're willing to give up a 2nd rounder for him.

As I said earlier JC's best bet is to stay here, IMO at best he's fighting for a temporary starting spot in front of a high draft pick no matter where he goes, here at least he's got the upper hand out of camp... Anywhere else and he's either fighting an incumbent Vet QB or a young guy with upside who will get more slack and more benefit of the doubt due to upside.....
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IMO JC's biggest thing is being consistent, in the past he would have a good game and then he would disappear for the nest few. These last few weeks he has done well, if he could do this on more of a regular basis then ppl would change their opinions on him. Well I WOULD.
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I think Campbell is playing as well as any qb out there in the last 3 weeks. My only knock on him is - he should have been playing like this at the start of the season.
6 weeks actually...he started really performing well in the first game vs. Philly before the bye.

You're right, he's been one of the top in the NFL over the last 3 weeks.
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A few points that guy from Notre Dame is repeatedly mentioned as able to start his first year right out of the draft.

Ah the Rams I missed them, so the Rams and Buffalo are JC's best prospects and in both cases he would be viewed as competition, and might not even be viewed as desirable depending on who the Rams draft.

Cardinals? Um Matt Leinart? Sorry at best JC is viewed as a backup and probably does not have a real shot at the starting role unless Leinart Struggles.

Carolina Delhomme has a huge contract but you never know... Campbell is certainly not a sexy QB compared to what they have had in the past.

Seattle, their backup already looks better than Campbell

Browns... seriously I know most fans don't maybe watch that much of other teams, but if Brady Quinn isn't the Browns future Jason Campbell sure as hell isn't...

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IMO JC's biggest thing is being consistent, in the past he would have a good game and then he would disappear for the nest few. These last few weeks he has done well, if he could do this on more of a regular basis then ppl would change their opinions on him. Well I WOULD.
You're on the money there. Even in the first half of 2008, when Campbell was getting so much praise, he really wasnt all that consistent, and he certainly wasn't playing at the level he is now, which is understandable - we're comparing the first few games in a new offensive system to the last few as he's nearing 2 years of experience in the WCO. I honestly beleive that Snyder wants to see Campbell succeed. If he had shown them more in 2008, he wouldnt have gone after Cutler and Sanchez. As we've all noted over and over, Campbells future here largely depends on who our next head coach is and who he wants at the QB position. However, if Campbell keeps his level of play up the rest of the season, i'm fairly certain he'll be our starting QB next year - no matter who the coach is. Campbell has been in so many offensive systems, whatever offense we run in 2010 likely won't be "new" to him. He'll probably be the most attractive option available for whatever coach we have.
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