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Old 09-28-2009, 11:00 PM   #121
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How many more years are we on the hook with Portis, just blow up the whole offense.
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Thanks Rushkins. I think JC is the man, but dude, although his yardage was crazy, he didn't look good the first half at all. That little conversation with myy bud was real. I was bewildered at first because of the stats, but he did lose those snaps, and he was rather indecisive about whether to run or pass. He just needs to take off if everyone is covered and not wait. We need to get Mitchell in the mix and see what he can do. Kelly and co aren't all that. In short, Zorn's scheme doesn't fit JC, and his receivers to be honest.
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:12 PM   #123
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How many more years are we on the hook with Portis, just blow up the whole offense.
I kinda think that's the other elephant in the room. Don't get me wrong, I hope CP goes back to his old form, but given how much we've beaten him up he seems to have lost a step. The question is...when it comes time for the team to shop him around or even get his replacement, will he go quietly? I doubt it.
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I kinda think that's the other elephant in the room. Don't get me wrong, I hope CP goes back to his old form, but given how much we've beaten him up he seems to have lost a step. The question is...when it comes time for the team to shop him around or even get his replacement, will he go quietly? I doubt it.
If there's no cap next year who cares, we can cut him and move on. With his contract I don't think there's going to be much shopping around going on.
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:19 PM   #125
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If there's no cap next year who cares, we can cut him and move on. With his contract I don't think there's going to be much shopping around going on.
We won't cut anyone who has their 2010 salary guaranteed though. Cap or no cap.

That, I think, is just Portis, Haynesworth, Moss, and Samuels. I don't remember precisely, but I think Vinny was careful with the Hall contract not to guarantee salary in addition to his signing bonus (which, admittedly, was obscene).
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Thanks Rushkins. I think JC is the man, but dude, although his yardage was crazy, he didn't look good the first half at all. That little conversation with myy bud was real. I was bewildered at first because of the stats, but he did lose those snaps, and he was rather indecisive about whether to run or pass. He just needs to take off if everyone is covered and not wait. We need to get Mitchell in the mix and see what he can do. Kelly and co aren't all that. In short, Zorn's scheme doesn't fit JC, and his receivers to be honest.
The first half we had 4 total possessions 2 of the 4 possessions Moss & Cooley couldn't get one yard to keep the drive going that's not on JC people. He drove us down field the first drive of the game Zorn killed the momentum of the game with 4th down call & declined penalty.
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Old 09-29-2009, 04:45 AM   #127
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Good stats, except for how many TDs he's thrown. Where's that stat? You could have a 130 QB rating and 4000+ yards, but at the end of the day when you're not putting the ball in the endzone... Yeah... Almost makes everything else moot.

While that may not be totally JC's fault, everyone's gonna end up pointing their finger at him at the end of the day.
Not everyone just the fans that don't like him. He goes to another team and win a SB. We still mediocore Redskins cause our fans only know how to blame the coach or QB.
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Old 09-29-2009, 04:50 AM   #128
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No offense but anyone right now who thinks Campbell is the real deal is insane. He cant even take the snap cleanly half the plays. Anyone can manipulate stats to make someone look good. So in this case your stats do lie.
Damn Tony Romo has dropped snaps and even fumble it in the end zone. Shit happens some time its football. Thats so shallow thinking. I guess you want JarMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn,Kyle Boller,Jake Delhomme. Lame Redskins fans looking to always blame the QB.
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Old 09-29-2009, 04:53 AM   #129
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Wrong! Stats do lie. He's not getting the team in the end zone. Not all his fault but some of it is. I'd say the stats look better than he's actually played. There have been some garbage numbers. I think he's been kind of average on a bad offense.
It would be JC fault if he called his on plays. Guess what he doesn't, Zorn does as far as points the WR have to hold on to the ball or even break at tackle from time to time.
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When was the last time JC made a throw to win a game? I'm not talking about a dump pass or a quick slant either. When has he hit a streaking receiver in stride to give us the lead? I can't remember...

When was the last time JC overthrew a ball that would've resulted in a TD? Happens almost every week.

When we have one final play from our 35 yard line, We choose to run a gadget play across the middle.
The vikings were in the same situation and favre launched a rocket into his WR's hands. Don't tell me that minnesotas WR's are better than ours...

JC is so concerned about not making a bad play, he seldom makes anything other than a routine throw.
When was the last time JC threw the ball downfield in a jumpball situation? Teams do it all the time.


JC is no more to us than what Trent Dilfer was to the Ravens. He is not a bad quarterback but he is not a guy that is going to win games for you.
He doesn't have to win the game thats why we upgrade the defense. He should manage the game and not lose it. He is not a great QB but he is a good QB.
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:02 AM   #131
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There were two third down plays yesterday, one near the redzone as well as the play on which he threw an interception, in which Campbell responded to pressure by ignoring open receivers - Moss and Are respectively - and throwing into coverage. And those were just the two I noticed on TV, there certainly could have been more. QB numbers matter, but as Mike Shanahan famously said you make your money as a QB in the NFL on third down, and that's where Campbell has really been struggling.

I get the argument that Campbell's supporting cast isn't helping him - hell I've made it myself for the past year - but at some point we have to start thinking about whether or not Campbell is the right player for the team we have now (which isn't getting any better anytime soon). They can't protect him and he's bad against pressure. I've seen the statistics about how prolific Campbell is when given time to throw but when is he given time to throw? And when will he be? Our line is old and the cupboard is bare. There's no budding linemen pushing the older guys to start.

So if it becomes clear that he won't be coming back next year, and wow it's going to take a lot for that not to be the case, when do we need to think about making a change?
Who is the right player for this team? Oh do we go out and try to trade for Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Lets figure out who the damn coach is going to be for possible next year. We have a good QB lets work with him and focus on a better O-Line to give us a running game to help our QB.
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:15 AM   #132
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I'm just being real bro, pick a team then. You don't see me putting a saints avatar on mine and I used to live there
I agree we got all these Haters here who only want to support a team when they win. You have people talking about they're embarrassed to be a Redskins fan shit any team can lose a game. I would never be embarrassed to support my team, we have a choice to root for a team. We have some weak a** fans here.
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:18 AM   #133
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Silly debate right now. He's not Brady, but it seems clear that he's not the root of our problems right now. He can certainly be better, but I would say the trend is positive on JC--he's gotten better, even if he's not lighting up the scoreboard.

THings that are more serious, IMO:

1. Where the fuck is our running game????
2. Why can't our D get off the field--that supposed to be our strength. ToP was brutal yesterday
3. D can't generate TOs
4. Play calling.
5. Brutal game-losing penalities
6. Consistent execution on EVERY play, JC included.

He's our best QB at present. Fix these other issues, and we'll win some games.
I agree with you we have to be concerned with the Lack of Running game and poor 3rd down defense.
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:25 AM   #134
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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;598877]They're all good. But their teams don't avergae 13 points a game either. Like I said. JC has to take some of the blame for that. But it's not all on him either.[/QUOTE
The thread was Campbell's numbers don't lie. It wasn't about blaming him it merely pointed out that his stats are decent compared to other good QB's in the NFL.
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:34 AM   #135
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People that think Collins would do a better job than Campbell right now are smoking something. For starters, Collins' mobility resembles that of an 80 year old woman, and our O-line leaks like an old faucet. Against a half decent pass rush, Collins may leave the field in an ambulance.
They still remember when Collins won a few games that got us to the playoffs and we lost to the Seahawks. If Collins has to play we are up a creek without a paddle. He has no arm strength to throw the ball deep , I guess thats ok since we dont go deep much. I do no this he is fragile as a bull in a china shop. A career backup vs JC please you people must be on a real Hatters trip on JC.
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