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Old 12-11-2009, 10:51 AM   #1336
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I think there will be a significant market for Campbell this offseason. If we don't at least tender him at the 1st and 3rd round levels and get at least a 2nd for him we'd be fools.
But we have made it so clear that JC isn't welcome here, that other teams will certainly lowball as much as they can. Campbell has value, but we have not done much to increase or market that value.
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Old 12-11-2009, 11:07 AM   #1337
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But we have made it so clear that JC isn't welcome here, that other teams will certainly lowball as much as they can. Campbell has value, but we have not done much to increase or market that value.
Very true. Campbell's agent will drive much of it though. If he strikes a deal with another team while Campbell is tendered the ball really shifts to our court. We really have most of the power in this scenario.
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Old 12-11-2009, 01:46 PM   #1338
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What you describe above is a great way to make inaccurate value judgements.
If the circumstances aren't consider you cannot make an accurate assessment.
Imo, its this type exact type of thinking that's probably lead to our poor personnel decisions.

For example Cutler is the same QB he was with the Broncos he didn't get worse, but if you made a value judgement based on his stats alone without considering the circumstances you would now be surprised by his supposed lack of production in Chicago.
That's about as well as I could have said it. The statistics are critical to understanding player value, but they're useless if you can't read them properly.
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Old 12-11-2009, 02:40 PM   #1341
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IMO it's true of every facet of life regardless of good or bad... Anyway that's besides the point.

If we can't compare Romo to Campbell then we can';t compare any football player to any other Football player (or team or coach or anything else).

I don't know how we evaluate ANY QB if we have to put them on the exact same team, playing the same schedule etc. How many of you are willing to commit to that philosophy? You can't Judge Zorn against Bill Belicheck can't judge Snyder against Cook... different circumstances, players, etc.

Are some of you guys going to go that far just because you can't stand that Romo is a better QB than Jason Campbell? Don't hate me because I'm being honest, I dislike Romo but I'm not going to lie to myself
Some comparisons are better than others. Tony Romo is a much better quarterback than Jason Campbell. Romo is also a very flawed player in his own right, but given all of his strengths and weaknesses, he's still the best quarterback in the division. You can look at all the stats to see this, you can look at overall offensive production, etc.

It's also not really a conversation worth having. Campbell has done pretty well for himself here. If Romo were here and Campbell were there, the gap between their numbers would be basically non-existant. Romo would never be an 8.0 YPA passer with the Redskins. Just wouldn't happen. Campbell's improvement to 7.4 this year is pretty remarkable all things considered: clearly, he's squeezing every last drop of potential out of the offense.

And what's the end game? 3-9, underachieving their true potential by about two or three games because in crunch time, our pass defense goes to oblivion and Campbell seems to rush his decision making to avoid sack? That's where we are. We could bring in a rookie quarterback and rebuild while we're paying all that money to the defense to be mediocre, but that's not going to stop the disappointment.
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Old 12-11-2009, 02:46 PM   #1342
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Whoever was supposed to proofread that article did an awful job. Campbell has 123 plays over 25 yards in the past 4 weeks. He's throwing to new TE Fred JONES?

That being said, he makes some valid points, especially regarding Campbell & Shanahan. It's going to be an interesting first 3 months of 2010.
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Whoever was supposed to proofread that article did an awful job. Campbell has 123 plays over 25 yards in the past 4 weeks. He's throwing to new TE Fred JONES?

That being said, he makes some valid points, especially regarding Campbell & Shanahan. It's going to be an interesting first 3 months of 2010.
Thanks for the link. I agree that Campbell's play (assuming he doesnt revert back to his old self over the last 4 games) merits keeping him around. I also agree that he has more trade value now than he did last year. If Shanahan becomes the next head coach here and doesn't want Campbell, we should be able to get good value for him. I even think its possible we could trade him to Arizona for Leinhart and THEY'D be the ones having to throw something extra in to seal the deal, if for no other reason than Campbell is a known, solid, if not spectacular commodity; whereas Leinhart is still largely a question mark.
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Hater! No, that was a good read, very interesting analysis of the offense.
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Old 12-14-2009, 09:53 AM   #1346
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UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell pulling away from other two bust QBs.


Cutler:
WK 14 - 23/36 (63.9%), 209 yds, 2 TD, 2 INT, 74.9 rating, -1 rush yds
TOTAL: 284/457 (62.1%), 3,023 yds, 19 TD,
22 INT, 75.2 rating, 135 rush yds

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DNP, messed up knee attempting to run in Week 13, not even allowed to travel with team
TOTAL: 158/297 (53.2%), 2,049 yds, 11 TD, 17 INT, 63.7 rating, 97 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 14 - 16/28 (57.1%), 222 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 106.5 rating, 20 rush yds
TOTAL: 260/398 (65.3%), 2,946 yds, 17 TD, 12 INT, 89.0 rating, 179 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell (65.3%), Cutler (62.1%), Sanchez (53.2%)
Yds = Cutler (3,023) Campbell (2,946) Sanchez (2,049)
TDs = Cutler (19), Campbell (17), Sanchez (11)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (12), Sanchez (17), Cutler (22)
QB rating = Campbell (89.0), Cutler (75.2), Sanchez (63.7)
Rush yds = Campbell (179), Cutler (135), Sanchez(97)


Week 14 Campbell overview:


Another impressive and efficient game from Campbell. 2 TDs, no INTs and a 106.5 passer rating. He had the most passing yards of the three QBs, although Sanchez was benched due to a knee, but there is some who think his performance may have helped the head coach make the decision to keep him inactive. The Jets won handily without him. Cutler continues to throw INTs, now a league-leading 22 picks, nearly double of Campbell's total. Not only is Campbell caught up to Cutler in yards and TDs with the very possible and likely scenario that he surpasses Jay in both by season's end, but Chicago has only one more win than the Redskins and are falling further while the Redskins play very well over the last month.
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Old 12-14-2009, 09:55 AM   #1347
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Too early, way too early, to say Sanchez is a bust
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:19 AM   #1348
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For the year, he is.

Long-term, as Campbell has proven, rookie QBs need time and patience to develop. Of course I'm not writing him off long term, he shows a little more than Ryan Leaf, but as for the year...if we had him, we'd be lucky to have 1 or 2 wins.
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Old 12-22-2009, 01:36 AM   #1349
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UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell is seriously lucky to be alive...still managed better stats than the other two.


Cutler:
WK 15 - 10/37 (37.0%), 94 yds, 0 TD, 3 INT, 7.9 rating, 23 rush yds
TOTAL: 294/484 (60.7%), 3,117 yds, 19 TD,
25 INT, 71.1 rating, 158 rush yds

Sanchez:
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18/32 (56.3%), 226 yds, 1 TD, 3 INT, 49.7 rating, 7 rush yds
TOTAL: 176/329 (53.5%), 2,275 yds, 12 TD, 20 INT, 62.3 rating, 104 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 15 - 15/28 (53.6%), 192 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, 57.4 rating, 36 rush yds
TOTAL: 275/426 (64.6%), 3,138 yds, 18 TD, 14 INT, 87.0 rating, 215 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell (64.6%), Cutler (60.7%), Sanchez (53.5%)
Yds = Campbell (3,138), Cutler (3,117), Sanchez (2,049)
TDs = Cutler (19), Campbell (18), Sanchez (12)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (14), Sanchez (20), Cutler (25)
QB rating = Campbell (87.0), Cutler (71.1), Sanchez (62.3)
Rush yds = Campbell (215), Cutler (158), Sanchez(104)


Week 15 Campbell overview:


I have never seen a QB take such a beating from the lack of an offensive line. They HAD been playing well, protecting Jason fairly well over the last month. That ended with a thud tonight. Officially, Jason was sacked 5 times but anyone who watched saw him on his face after nearly every play, being hit before even dropping back many times. He ran out of trouble a few times, once very nice run for the Skins first 1st-down of the game. He was abused and beaten badly, even knocked out of the game at the end of the first half. It looked like he was done for sure, but came back out and played hard despite being hit hard. He showed heart and leadership despite making some mistakes (2 INTs). He was one of the only bright spots in one of the worst massacres I've ever seen. Even the Patriots 52-7 blowout didn't seem THIS ugly...we knew they were doing that to all of their opponents that year. Despite the rough game, Jason's numbers look respectable compared to Sanchez and Cutler, ESPECIALLY CUTLER. His line is one of the worst I've ever seen. Only 10 (37%) completions, under 100 yards, 3 INTs, 0 TDs and a 7.9 passer rating! Sanchez also threw 3 picks.

Tough, tough week for Campbell. Hopefully he will be able to walk and prepare for Dallas in the short practice week. I don't know if Zorn was calling plays again tonight, but it looked nothing like the team that was on a roll lately. Regardless, Jason earned some more respect from me and I bet a lot of other people after his courageous performance in a disaster of a game that was not his fault. I've said before he had no chance behind his O-line, but it was never more true than this MNF game.
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Old 12-22-2009, 01:45 AM   #1350
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As much as I have been a Campbell supporter, he did some stupid plays...however, he was beaten and bruised a lot during the game.
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