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Old 10-01-2009, 10:29 PM   #61
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Then it all boils down to can DS eat crow and hire a winner or has that ship sailed and DS won't bring in anyone he's fired before?
Well it also boils down to does Marty want to come back, does Cowher want to come here? Do they really want to work together?
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Old 10-01-2009, 10:30 PM   #62
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I'm going to play devils advocate. Even though they might be the exception to the rule, but three guys off the top of my head that are really nice guys that have Super Bowl rings are Tony Dungy, Dick Vermil, and Joe Gibbs.

With that said the only real "hard asses" that I can think of that have won Super Bowls are Belicheck, Gruden, and Coughlin.
I would quickly add Cowher and Tomlin to the hard ass list. Tomlin is a thoughtful person in interviews and overall I think a really high-character guy, but watch him on the sideline and he's as prickly as they come.
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Old 10-01-2009, 10:35 PM   #63
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Well it also boils down to does Marty want to come back, does Cowher want to come here? Do they really want to work together?
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I think thats SmootSmacks point and mine. GMicheals makes it sound like Marty was let go cause no one liked him or could get along with him which is a half truth. Only some of the players could not get along with Marty....the ones who don't like hard nosed coach's. but in actuality Marty was fired cause he wanted to be GM and HC which DS was not going to let happen. Marty said then fire me. ....and he was.
Wrong.

Marty already was GM and HC because that's what Dan Snyder agreed to according to the terms of the contract. Year one under Marty wasn't so great offensively, and Snyder wanted him to relinquish control of parts of the coaching staff.

It was Dan Snyder who tried to weasel out of the terms of the contract and Marty called him on it.
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Great point...another hard ass coach who in the end earned the respect of his roster and those guys fight for every last inch on the field.

Just for shits and giggles...does anyone here think lil Danny would get along w/ Coughlin? Would he get along w/ any of the great coaches out there right now? Really? How many great coaches strike you as really nice, easy-going blokes?
After Spurrier left, one of the coaches that was available was Tom Coughlin. For some reason, Coughlin was never on the list of possible coaches at that point. Never understood why.
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Wrong.

Marty already was GM and HC because that's what Dan Snyder agreed to according to the terms of the contract. Year one under Marty wasn't so great offensively, and Snyder wanted him to relinquish control of parts of the coaching staff.

It was Dan Snyder who tried to weasel out of the terms of the contract and Marty called him on it.
Not entirely correct. The contract called for Marty to be both HC and GM but included an option for Snyder to go hire a General Manager. Snyder thought at the time it was too much for Schottenheimer to handle both coach and personnel duties and wanted him to focus only on coaching.
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Not entirely correct. The contract called for Marty to be both HC and GM but included an option for Snyder to go hire a General Manager. Snyder thought at the time it was too much for Schottenheimer to handle both coach and personnel duties and wanted him to focus only on coaching.
That's not the way it was reported at the time. According to Rick Snider of the Washington Times, Snyder wanted to change the terms of the original contract to get more control over personnel decisions. He also wasn't happy with O-coordinator Jimmy Raye.
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Marty S. is JUST WHAT THIS TEAMS NEEDS. A few weeks ago when we were playing the Giants I noticed that they looked like the team that was physically tougher and stronger. And to me that is what this team is missing and Marty will make sure we're a physically tough team. Not to mention some much needed discipline.
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Old 10-02-2009, 07:31 AM   #71
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That's not the way it was reported at the time. According to Rick Snider of the Washington Times, Snyder wanted to change the terms of the original contract to get more control over personnel decisions. He also wasn't happy with O-coordinator Jimmy Raye.
If I could find a link I'd post it, but I was covering the Redskins pretty exclusively in 2001 and I definitely remember that Marty's initial contract called for the option of hiring a general manager.

You're right about the organization not wanting Raye.
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If I could find a link I'd post it, but I was covering the Redskins pretty exclusively in 2001 and I definitely remember that Marty's initial contract called for the option of hiring a general manager.

You're right about the organization not wanting Raye.
Redskins Still May Hire a GM; Contract With Coach Leaves Open Possibility - The Washington Post | Encyclopedia.com

Coach Marty Schottenheimer's contract with the Washington Redskins gives team owner Daniel Snyder full authority to hire a front office executive to head the club's player personnel department if he chooses.

That leaves open the possibility that Snyder could hire a general manager or an executive with GM-like powers this offseason who would report to Snyder, not Schottenheimer, and oversee the retooling of the team's roster.
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I'm going to play devils advocate. Even though they might be the exception to the rule, but three guys off the top of my head that are really nice guys that have Super Bowl rings are Tony Dungy, Dick Vermil, and Joe Gibbs.

With that said the only real "hard asses" that I can think of that have won Super Bowls are Belicheck, Gruden, and Coughlin.
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are you talking only about active, or soon to be active, coaches?
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Old 10-02-2009, 09:27 AM   #74
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Please take this seriously, if we're talking about potential GMs:

THE TUNA!

I personally would hate to see him in anything close to B&G, but word is that he might be looking to leave Miami after this year, as is his usual pattern. IF we have a miserable 09 & the Danny really wants to blow this thing up, don't be surprised if he's at least contacted.
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Ya know it's a shame when I can read what your writing and your confusing the hell out of me. In your first post I thought you were actually trying to point out that JC is the next best thing since sliced bread. Which is why I asked you if you were talking about JC.

Then I read this post and it sounds like your bashing JC. So I'm thoroughly confused unless your were being sarcastic in one of these. but to answer your question if JC is extended I would hope DS would get a serious discount and put him as our #2 and look for someone who is #1 quality. Otherwise beef up the damn O-line and give him all day to throw to the great talent they will need around him.
Not one time did I make it seem like I thought JC was the best thing since sliced anything let alone bread. I made a bet with a good friend of mine who is a diehard Redskins fan that Jason Campbell would throw 20 touchdowns this season. My 50 to his 100 that Jason would throw 20 I said sure he would. I took 7 steps back to the spot I was in before I shook his hand on it and,... it was like when you first realize fore yourselfd that Santa Clause wasn't real. I knew that he wouldn't do it. I thought about all of his throws. His decision making, his reluctance lead this team, the fact that he doesn't call his own protections, better yet the fact that he doesn't ever want to even though the coaches do. Everything about this mans game became real to me once I put money on it. I remember when Emmit Smith made his comments about Tony Romo being a leader for this team now that someone asked him to do it and how sad it was, I swear you could substitute Romo's name with Campbell and it all applies except contract of course.
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