An outsider's breakdown of the Redskins offense

KI Skins Fan · 10-03-2009, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't think it's too depressing on Thomas and Kelly. We knew who they were already. Thomas is a burner who you want to stretch the field or hit on a short slant or crossing route in some space and let him outrun people. Kelly ran about a 4.7 I believe, so he's no speed demon, but has good hands and runs solid routes. No shame for either guy, this just re-inforces who they are. We all knew neither was Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson.

No real surprise on JC or Portis either. JC's release has always been an issue and so has his pocket presense, although I think he's doing a better job of stepping up and finding lanes in the pocket. We all knew Portis was slowing down and becoming a between the tackles guy.

What Zorn needs to do is not try to put square pegs in round holes and make sure he understands the players strengths and weaknesses and plays to their strengths.

That ain't gonna happen.

44Deezel · 10-03-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by htownskinfan

that was a depressing read,especially since the progress of Kelly and Thomas were 2 things we as fans were counting on.The things about JC and Portis I already knew.

I don't think it's surprising that he called Kelly an intermediate possession receiver. That's exactly how they should be using him, with Moss being the deep threat. Doesn't mean he can't win jump balls downfield or in the end zone for us.

SmootSmack · 10-03-2009, 07:55 AM

Nice info. Thanks for the link Beem. Cosell's a well respected game evaluator. As mentioned before, he watches lots and lots of tape that few people have access to and he's constantly in communication with NFL player, coaches, and execs to get their take and better understand the game.

44Deezel · 10-03-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

His analysis of Campbell and Portis is accurate.

Absolutely. Especially this comment - "Campbell lacks a refined sense of pocket movement". JC can't seem to detect pressure until it's too late. He hangs in the pocket too long.

44Deezel · 10-03-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't think it's too depressing on Thomas and Kelly. We knew who they were already. Thomas is a burner who you want to stretch the field or hit on a short slant or crossing route in some space and let him outrun people. Kelly ran about a 4.7 I believe, so he's no speed demon, but has good hands and runs solid routes. No shame for either guy, this just re-inforces who they are. We all knew neither was Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson.

No real surprise on JC or Portis either. JC's release has always been an issue and so has his pocket presense, although I think he's doing a better job of stepping up and finding lanes in the pocket. We all knew Portis was slowing down and becoming a between the tackles guy.

What Zorn needs to do is not try to put square pegs in round holes and make sure he understands the players strengths and weaknesses and plays to their strengths.

Can you give an example? I'm really not trying to be a smart ass for once either. The fumble and TD against the Giants? Got his arm hit again on a long pass attempt against the Lions that caused the ball to hang in the air like a punt.

And I just can't recall any plays where he ran OUT of the pocket as it was collapsing, kept the play alive and made a big play. Stafford seemed to do a lot of that on Sunday. Just don't recall seeing much of that from Campbell.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 10-03-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Can you give an example? I'm really not trying to be a smart ass for once either. The fumble and TD against the Giants? Got his arm hit again on a long pass attempt against the Lions that caused the ball to hang in the air like a punt.

And I just can't recall any plays where he ran OUT of the pocket as it was collapsing, kept the play alive and made a big play. Stafford seemed to do a lot of that on Sunday. Just don't recall seeing much of that from Campbell.

Ball security was definitely one of the negatives for JC this week. But as Samuels/Heyer are riding their men upfield, JC is finding the seams in the pocket a bit better to step up or to the side and make throws. He had the big run for 20 yards getting out of the pocket. I believe on both 3rd down plays that Moss and Cooley came up short, JC did his job, stepped up nicely and delivered solid passes.

huntz · 10-03-2009, 08:27 PM

Not thefirst time heard that about CP this season. Poor running game=not many wins. Is this O doomed?

CRedskinsRule · 10-03-2009, 09:02 PM

Don't worry, we have Mason

TheSmurfs22 · 10-04-2009, 12:00 AM

Overall I have been happy with Campbell's performance. When I watch CP I feel as though I am watching the decline of a career. RB's careers are short lived and I think we are seeing that now.

Boston Brave · 10-04-2009, 12:08 AM

Bad part is I drafted Portis in my fantasy league, sure would like to have that 2nd rounder back.

SirClintonPortis · 10-04-2009, 12:36 PM

Obviously, people don't effing pay attention to the fact that on the Campbell pick, the defender had already gotten to Campbell two seconds into the play!!! He had no time to look for Randle El, set, and then throw it to him.

SirClintonPortis · 10-04-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Can you give an example? I'm really not trying to be a smart ass for once either. The fumble and TD against the Giants? Got his arm hit again on a long pass attempt against the Lions that caused the ball to hang in the air like a punt.

And I just can't recall any plays where he ran OUT of the pocket as it was collapsing, kept the play alive and made a big play. Stafford seemed to do a lot of that on Sunday. Just don't recall seeing much of that from Campbell.

That throw to Moss in the first drive in the RZ which pass was inaccurate and thus off the mark first had him dodge the rush first to even have a to make the throw.
Bad accuracy
Good pocket presence.

10-03-2009, 07:55 AM	#18
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,225	Re: An outsider's breakdown of the Redskins offense Nice info. Thanks for the link Beem. Cosell's a well respected game evaluator. As mentioned before, he watches lots and lots of tape that few people have access to and he's constantly in communication with NFL player, coaches, and execs to get their take and better understand the game. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-03-2009, 08:27 PM	#22
huntz Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 56 Posts: 311	Re: An outsider's breakdown of the Redskins offense Not thefirst time heard that about CP this season. Poor running game=not many wins. Is this O doomed?

10-03-2009, 09:02 PM	#23
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 11,026	Re: An outsider's breakdown of the Redskins offense Don't worry, we have Mason

10-04-2009, 12:00 AM	#24
TheSmurfs22 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 957	Re: An outsider's breakdown of the Redskins offense Overall I have been happy with Campbell's performance. When I watch CP I feel as though I am watching the decline of a career. RB's careers are short lived and I think we are seeing that now. __________________ F#$% the Cowpukes!

10-04-2009, 12:08 AM	#25
Boston Brave Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 44	Re: An outsider's breakdown of the Redskins offense Bad part is I drafted Portis in my fantasy league, sure would like to have that 2nd rounder back. Last edited by Boston Brave; 10-04-2009 at 12:09 AM. Reason: typo

10-04-2009, 12:36 PM	#26
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: An outsider's breakdown of the Redskins offense Obviously, people don't effing pay attention to the fact that on the Campbell pick, the defender had already gotten to Campbell two seconds into the play!!! He had no time to look for Randle El, set, and then throw it to him.

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