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Old 10-05-2009, 09:57 AM   #1096
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I agree with Mitchell. Enough of Thomas and Kelly. I'd like to see Aldridge on the field.
sadly, I am back to being pessimistic about our WRs. Preseason I was finally getting off of the Kick Hixon Out club, but I just renewed my membership for the rest of the season. You can try to tell me it's all the receivers fault, after all they are the ones who have to go out and prove it. But Kelly, Mitchell, even DT showed promise, they have potential, but no one is training them up. I wonder what it would take to get Hixon gone. He is the cockroach coach of Redskin Park.
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sadly, I am back to being pessimistic about our WRs. Preseason I was finally getting off of the Kick Hixon Out club, but I just renewed my membership for the rest of the season. You can try to tell me it's all the receivers fault, after all they are the ones who have to go out and prove it. But Kelly, Mitchell, even DT showed promise, they have potential, but no one is training them up. I wonder what it would take to get Hixon gone. He is the cockroach coach of Redskin Park.
Unfortunately, if Moss keeps catching 50 yd bombs, nothing will be done.
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Old 10-05-2009, 10:13 AM   #1098
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sadly, I am back to being pessimistic about our WRs. Preseason I was finally getting off of the Kick Hixon Out club, but I just renewed my membership for the rest of the season. You can try to tell me it's all the receivers fault, after all they are the ones who have to go out and prove it. But Kelly, Mitchell, even DT showed promise, they have potential, but no one is training them up. I wonder what it would take to get Hixon gone. He is the cockroach coach of Redskin Park.
we're not inside redskin park so we don't know if hixon is doing a good job or not. all i know is these guys can't get open. thomas may be fast but it seems like he only has straight line speed and isn't fast coming out of breaks or doesn't run his routes very well. kelly is just flat out slow so if i were zorn i would never run him on anything deep.
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He may have time to throw on some plays but in the 1qtr Tampa Bay only rushed 4 and he had no time. Did you see that the Redskins WR were not getting any seperation on their routes. He had no where to throw the ball because the Bucs were blanketing our WR.
What I liked is that it looked like durn 1/2 time we made some adjustments and got our WR's open in the 2nd half.
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sadly, I am back to being pessimistic about our WRs. Preseason I was finally getting off of the Kick Hixon Out club, but I just renewed my membership for the rest of the season. You can try to tell me it's all the receivers fault, after all they are the ones who have to go out and prove it. But Kelly, Mitchell, even DT showed promise, they have potential, but no one is training them up. I wonder what it would take to get Hixon gone. He is the cockroach coach of Redskin Park.
A quick review of the game tells me Devin Thomas is getting open more often than we're giving him credit for. Would like to see more passes go his way, but that means Campbell has to check off a lot of other receivers it seems and there's just no time for him to do that
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When it comes to the WRs let's be honest, our best options remain Moss on the outside and Cooley underneath. I feel that Kelly is close to breaking out. JC is trying to get the ball to him even when he's covered and giving him the chance to make a play. We should be happy we're seeing that.
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Old 10-05-2009, 10:40 AM   #1102
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I'm more worried about Hunter the Punter than our WRs.
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Well, I suggested that things would get worse before they get better on offense. But our defense only gave up one TD and two FGs, and the TD was short field.

Things will come together on offense in time,
but the defense needs to carry the day and we'll probably have to win ugly for awhile. It's not going to be a 35-7 win next week. 20-17 might be the best we can hope for.

If I'm right, this will be a good team in December. Possibly a very good team. But being an unfinished product is not an excuse for complete unit breakdowns. The offense needs to be sharper than it was today, even if it can't put it altogether just yet.
When is that time gonna be though? Zorn has had 9 preseason and 20 regular season games for it to come together. That's a LONG time in the NFL. It's not a very patient league. He's had the same team, system, coaches, and QB the entire time. He needs this thing to start clicking like yesterday.
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we're not inside redskin park so we don't know if hixon is doing a good job or not. all i know is these guys can't get open. thomas may be fast but it seems like he only has straight line speed and isn't fast coming out of breaks or doesn't run his routes very well. kelly is just flat out slow so if i were zorn i would never run him on anything deep.
That NFL Films game analysis by Cosell earlier in the week said that our route combinations are poor. Maybe that has something to do with it. GTripp could probably shed some light on that.
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After watching this same group of guys for several years, do you honestly think we're going to be a good offense by the end of the year? I don't mean yardage wise, I mean an offense that can consistently put up 20+ points. I've seen nothing from this group that tells me they're capable of doing that.
It's on a whole bunch of factors, but mostly it's based around the fact that I think Zorn has good protection schemes and that if he's still around at the end of the year, this protection unit can give Campbell all day to find receivers downfield.

But it's dependent on the small things being executed in the intermittent. Jason Campbell needs to do a better job protecting the football, and the games need to be won, even if we're just doing it on a 2-5 point margin every week.
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That NFL Films game analysis by Cosell earlier in the week said that our route combinations are poor. Maybe that has something to do with it. GTripp could probably shed some light on that.
Cosell read my mind with that one. And I thought he was spot on. Of course, he's dealing with a much greater sample size than me, because I only get to see the route combinations every once in a while on replay, but the Zorn playbook clearly does not put much stock in complicated downfield routes.

But as Greg Cosell said, the Skins break out 2-3 plays a game where they really try to put specific downfield players in a bind. But the vast majority of play design is all about trying to attack the weaker coverage players on the offense. Very rarely does Zorn ever try to work the safety area.

And I don't think that's inherently good or inherently bad. It is what it is. Like the majority of the defensive schemes, what the Redskins do with their receivers is very vanilla. And it's probably partially responsible for the receivers not getting open downfield. But not as much as the fact that no one outside of Moss really presents a downfield speed threat.
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Complicated downfield route combinations are not for every offense. It will hurt some offenses much more than it will help. Just like complicated defensive coverages will. The Redskins just don't put a whole lot of strategic stock into what happens between the 15 and 30 yard range from the LOS. That's why you see a lot of clear routes in the Zorn offense: the focus of the strategery is in the short-to-intermediate zones.
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A quick review of the game tells me Devin Thomas is getting open more often than we're giving him credit for. Would like to see more passes go his way, but that means Campbell has to check off a lot of other receivers it seems and there's just no time for him to do that
Devin has been open in the last two weeks. A lot. I think he's benefitted from a simplification of his responsibilities.

I think we'll see him more involved in the passing game in the next few weeks. He'll likely have a 4 catch game.
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Devin has been open in the last two weeks. A lot. I think he's benefitted from a simplification of his responsibilities.

I think we'll see him more involved in the passing game in the next few weeks. He'll likely have a 4 catch game.
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Off topic are u guys watchin MNF tonight I wish our line protected Campbell like the Vikes protect Farve..he has the time of someone baking a cake or waiting for a bus back there.
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