looking at the numbers at the 25% mark of the season

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-06-2009, 09:34 AM

Honestly, I'm getting a little concerned that ARE hasn't shown up recently. Those slants were NASTY against the Giants.

Mattyk · 10-06-2009, 09:36 AM

How about some slants to Kelly or Thomas? Let them use their size.

Hog1 · 10-06-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Zorn needs to work on ways to get the young WRs involved. Moss is constantly being double teamed. There's gotta be some opportunities there to take advantage of other than Cooley. Cooley by the way is on pace for a monster season.

IF we cannot get the young guys involved in the double situations as has been pointed out, it is equivalent of putting a gun to our Offensive head.....with all the chambers loaded......maybe I'm a little frustrated with that situation. AND if we did imagine what it would do for Moss and Cooley?
AND, AND IF we do not either JZ or VC did it to us as these guys can't play, or the coach can't figure it out.
.....where the hell is Marko Mitchell
HTTR

firstdown · 10-06-2009, 09:40 AM

Well when I start of a golf round with a tripple boggie on the first hole I tell myself it can only get better from here and thats what I'm thinking about the Skins.

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-06-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about some slants to Kelly or Thomas? Let them use their size.

I think I mentioned this in another thread, but doesn't it seem like it's not really the rookies fault a lot of the time. For example, I think Davis is a BEAST running with the ball. They ran that TE screen to him and Heyer absolutely whiffed on the block. If it's Cooley, it's always money.

Same with Kelly. If we throw to him, it's always deep down the field but out of bounds or into double coverage. Sometimes I think we need to keep feeding them the ball just to let them break out a little bit.

SouperMeister · 10-06-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by takethecake

I'd say the most alarming stat to me is this one:

Cooley: 22 rec, 254 yds, 2 TDs
Moss: 17 rec, 293 yds, 2 TDs
Randle El: 13 rec, 158 yds, 0 TDs

Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis combined: 10 rec, 82 yds, 0 TDs

I don't know how much longer we should be holding out hope for this group. I mean, is it that zorn isn't calling plays to involve them, or do they just not get separation, or what? I realize Fred Davis is being utilized more as a blocker, which is good, but didn't we draft him to be a passing threat?

This is basically the same shitty offense because teams only need to focus on Cooley and Moss. Isn't the WCO supposed to spread the wealth in the passing game? It's funny how other teams run the WCO and look unstoppable, yet our offense can't get out if its own way. Until Snyderato fully commits to building a dominant O-line this offense will suck out loud, regardless of who we have at the skill positions.

irish · 10-06-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

This is basically the same shitty offense because teams only need to focus on Cooley and Moss. Isn't the WCO supposed to spread the wealth in the passing game? It's funny how other teams run the WCO and look unstoppable, yet our offense can't get out if its own way. Until Snyderato fully commits to building a dominant O-line this offense will suck out loud, regardless of who we have at the skill positions.

The problem is the Skins players can be divided into 3 categories; 1-old guys that cant play, 2-young guys that cant play, 3-a handful of guys that can play for any team. My point is this team is comprised of a lot of guys that arent very good so its hard to spread the WCO "wealth" because the talent just isnt there. I agree with you that the O line is a good place to start building.

Hog1 · 10-06-2009, 10:35 AM

As you say Irish the O-line is a good place to start. Without it nothing else productive is possible. Obviously we have some work to do there. If we had a great O-line, it would make many other guys look much better....like JC
(see Joe1/Hogs)

firstdown · 10-06-2009, 10:46 AM

Zorn said something yesterday that I think alot of us forget. They are still working on the timing and running a WCO. Joe T. said last year that it takes at least two years to get down the timming of this system down.

Hog1 · 10-06-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Well when I start of a golf round with a tripple boggie on the first hole I tell myself it can only get better from here and thats what I'm thinking about the Skins.

Should've teed off with the 3-wood

jrsz24 · 10-06-2009, 11:30 AM

I wish they would either commit to using Thomas or Kelly. Move Moss around a little and let these guys become the #1 receiver. I don't believe it's an issue with Kelly or Thomas being bad, or not knowing what to do. Get them involved early.

DFI · 10-06-2009, 11:31 AM

i saw someone mentioned the o line that has been consistantly a problem. Last year we were the only team in the league without a starting O Lineman in his twentys this year we were close to that, i know the wookie is young but he is about the only one. I don't understand why this can't be addressed in the draft or offseason free agency. We threw money at Jason Taylor and what did it get us? Haynesworth is good, but we could have done a ton on the O Line for 100 Million. We did pick up dockery but he is about the like the dutch boy with his finger in the dike at this point.

We need personel people who will make wise moves and things will begin to fall into place.

hail_2_da_skins · 10-06-2009, 11:31 AM

I have to believe that Zorn and his coaching staff have seen something in practice from Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly that we haven't seen in the game. They are not getting separation, fighting for receptions or finding holes in the zone. Why Marko Mitchell has not been activated and given an opportunity on game day is mind boggling. He cannot be any worse than Thomas and Kelly. Given an opportunity, he may make a play. We will never know, if he can't get off the pine.

hail_2_da_skins · 10-06-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jrsz24

I wish they would either commit to using Thomas or Kelly. Move Moss around a little and let these guys become the #1 receiver. I don't believe it's an issue with Kelly or Thomas being bad, or not knowing what to do. Get them involved early.

Have you watched the replays with an isolation on the receivers? Randle-El, Kelly and Thomas are not getting separation. Moss and Cooley are the only guys getting open.

Stacks42 · 10-06-2009, 11:52 AM

Zorn mentioned on Comcast Sportsnet yesterday that he bascially only has DT on the field to run picks againt defenders, and he wants to get DT more involved.

10-06-2009, 09:34 AM	#16
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,119	Re: looking at the numbers at the 25% mark of the season Honestly, I'm getting a little concerned that ARE hasn't shown up recently. Those slants were NASTY against the Giants. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

10-06-2009, 09:36 AM	#17
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,656	Re: looking at the numbers at the 25% mark of the season How about some slants to Kelly or Thomas? Let them use their size. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-06-2009, 09:40 AM	#19
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,182	Re: looking at the numbers at the 25% mark of the season Well when I start of a golf round with a tripple boggie on the first hole I tell myself it can only get better from here and thats what I'm thinking about the Skins.

10-06-2009, 10:35 AM	#23
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,373	Re: looking at the numbers at the 25% mark of the season As you say Irish the O-line is a good place to start. Without it nothing else productive is possible. Obviously we have some work to do there. If we had a great O-line, it would make many other guys look much better....like JC (see Joe1/Hogs) __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach Last edited by Hog1; 10-06-2009 at 10:56 AM.

10-06-2009, 10:46 AM	#24
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,182	Re: looking at the numbers at the 25% mark of the season Zorn said something yesterday that I think alot of us forget. They are still working on the timing and running a WCO. Joe T. said last year that it takes at least two years to get down the timming of this system down.

10-06-2009, 11:30 AM	#26
jrsz24 Camp Scrub Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 45	Re: looking at the numbers at the 25% mark of the season I wish they would either commit to using Thomas or Kelly. Move Moss around a little and let these guys become the #1 receiver. I don't believe it's an issue with Kelly or Thomas being bad, or not knowing what to do. Get them involved early.

10-06-2009, 11:31 AM	#27
DFI Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: On the Road Age: 45 Posts: 223	Re: looking at the numbers at the 25% mark of the season i saw someone mentioned the o line that has been consistantly a problem. Last year we were the only team in the league without a starting O Lineman in his twentys this year we were close to that, i know the wookie is young but he is about the only one. I don't understand why this can't be addressed in the draft or offseason free agency. We threw money at Jason Taylor and what did it get us? Haynesworth is good, but we could have done a ton on the O Line for 100 Million. We did pick up dockery but he is about the like the dutch boy with his finger in the dike at this point. We need personel people who will make wise moves and things will begin to fall into place. __________________ 'Russ Grimm would swallow his dip by halftime and throw up on somebody's shoes. Jeff Bostic and Mark May were fighting about who'd missed an assignment. And man did Riggo stink from his hangover. But we got it done.' Don Warren

10-06-2009, 11:31 AM	#28
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 57 Posts: 862	Re: looking at the numbers at the 25% mark of the season I have to believe that Zorn and his coaching staff have seen something in practice from Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly that we haven't seen in the game. They are not getting separation, fighting for receptions or finding holes in the zone. Why Marko Mitchell has not been activated and given an opportunity on game day is mind boggling. He cannot be any worse than Thomas and Kelly. Given an opportunity, he may make a play. We will never know, if he can't get off the pine. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

10-06-2009, 11:52 AM	#30
Stacks42 Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Arlington Va. Age: 36 Posts: 650	Re: looking at the numbers at the 25% mark of the season Zorn mentioned on Comcast Sportsnet yesterday that he bascially only has DT on the field to run picks againt defenders, and he wants to get DT more involved. __________________ The Mayor of Acrobat

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