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Old 10-09-2009, 07:00 AM   #166
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if you are suprised by this move, then obviously you dont know Dan Snyder. This is a move to undermine his coach and the coaches staff. What confidence now does the team have in what Zorn is saying?? its absolutely a joke. You dont go and get "another set of eyes" after 4 games, when we are 2-2. I know our offense hasn't been great, but if two passes the week against the rams we caught (sellers and Thomas) we aren't having the discussions. If Zorn (who has been in football all most as long as snyder has had hair on his body) wanted it fine, but we all know he didn't. What the hell does Dan know about football?! NOTHING! This goes back to Norv when he won the division, and lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Then Danny boy goes out and gets a bunch of overhyped premadonnas that have no respect for anyone but the check and the season goes to crap, ruining the chemisty Norv had built. He gets fired at 7-6 or whatever the record was at the time (when we are in the middle of fighting for the wild card) and Danny never takes blame for any of that. Then we go to Marty..who finished 8-3 over the last 11 games. Has our roster looking good, draft in place and because he wouldn't give back the power Danny gave him...BOOM...he is gone. Which brings us to spurier, he never had a shot to begin with, all though during the first season I thought he was going to be pretty good. Then we have Gibbs who brought us back to some sort of respectability and what happens when he goes...BOOM.. Danny blows it all up by showing GW the door when everyone in that organization, except tweedle dee and tweedle dumb, wanted him as the coach. The two jackasses we have running our team will never learn and we will never have a team that is decent as long as Danny thinks he knows two shits about football. If I was Zorn, I would have told him to shove it up his ass. You can tell by some of the quotes that no one wants Lewis here nor do they think we need him. I personally want Zorn to work out BIG TIME, I am tired of a new coach every two years, new coordinators every two years, new roster every two years. No good organization is ever built this way.
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Old 10-09-2009, 07:19 AM   #167
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Do people not believe Cerrato/Zorn when they say Snyder did not order this, Cerrato wanted it, Zorn accepted (grudgingly I am sure) and Snyder approved it. This isn't a Snyder meddling situation. It's most likely a Cerrato trying to save his and in the process Zorn's jobs. As for it occurring mid season, when you start off struggling against 3 of the worst teams in the league, it seems like a very good time to bring in another pair of eyes
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Old 10-09-2009, 07:23 AM   #168
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:06 AM   #169
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Rushing Yards given up by Redskins Opponents this year:

Detroit gave up 143 yards to mike bell (saints), 92 yards to AP on 15 carries, 42 to portis on 12 carries, and 121 to forte on 12 carries.

Tampa gave up 118 yards on the ground to the cowboys, 218 to the bills, 226 to the giants and 125 to the skins.

Rams gave up 147 to Seattle (who beat them 28-0), 79 to portis (who beat them 9-7), 99 to grant (who beat them 36-17), 90 to the 49ers (who beat them 35-0)

giants gave up 62 yards to portis , 228 to the cowboys, 25 to the bucs, and 77 to the chiefs.

I realize different schemes, plans, scores, game situations, lines, etc all come into consideration but its not looking good...
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Old 10-09-2009, 05:05 PM   #170
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[quote=CRedskinsRule;604485]Do people not believe Cerrato/Zorn when they say Snyder did not order this, Cerrato wanted it, Zorn accepted (grudgingly I am sure) and Snyder approved it.[quote=CRedskinsRule;604485]



Nope ,nobody should believe them...not about this and not at this time of year.

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Nope ,nobody should believe them...not about this and not at this time of year..

yes it is.
If Snyder was meddling, he would have fired Zorn already.
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Old 10-09-2009, 05:12 PM   #172
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Do people not believe Cerrato/Zorn when they say Snyder did not order this, Cerrato wanted it, Zorn accepted (grudgingly I am sure) and Snyder approved it.


Nope ,nobody should believe them...not about this and not at this time of year.

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no, it's not. Cerrato went and did this, At the most Snyder could have said no not that, but then he is meddling with the way his staff wants to handle it.
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Old 10-09-2009, 05:31 PM   #173
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no, it's not. Cerrato went and did this, At the most Snyder could have said no not that, but then he is meddling with the way his staff wants to handle it.
Bringing in a consultant reeks of a business move...and who is the business man of the year in our front office?

The consultant was Snyder's idea...Sherman Smith was probably Vinny's.
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if you are suprised by this move, then obviously you dont know Dan Snyder. This is a move to undermine his coach and the coaches staff. What confidence now does the team have in what Zorn is saying?? its absolutely a joke. You dont go and get "another set of eyes" after 4 games, when we are 2-2. I know our offense hasn't been great, but if two passes the week against the rams we caught (sellers and Thomas) we aren't having the discussions. If Zorn (who has been in football all most as long as snyder has had hair on his body) wanted it fine, but we all know he didn't. What the hell does Dan know about football?! NOTHING! This goes back to Norv when he won the division, and lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Then Danny boy goes out and gets a bunch of overhyped premadonnas that have no respect for anyone but the check and the season goes to crap, ruining the chemisty Norv had built. He gets fired at 7-6 or whatever the record was at the time (when we are in the middle of fighting for the wild card) and Danny never takes blame for any of that. Then we go to Marty..who finished 8-3 over the last 11 games. Has our roster looking good, draft in place and because he wouldn't give back the power Danny gave him...BOOM...he is gone. Which brings us to spurier, he never had a shot to begin with, all though during the first season I thought he was going to be pretty good. Then we have Gibbs who brought us back to some sort of respectability and what happens when he goes...BOOM.. Danny blows it all up by showing GW the door when everyone in that organization, except tweedle dee and tweedle dumb, wanted him as the coach. The two jackasses we have running our team will never learn and we will never have a team that is decent as long as Danny thinks he knows two shits about football. If I was Zorn, I would have told him to shove it up his ass. You can tell by some of the quotes that no one wants Lewis here nor do they think we need him. I personally want Zorn to work out BIG TIME, I am tired of a new coach every two years, new coordinators every two years, new roster every two years. No good organization is ever built this way.
Ok, so we'll count you in as an "It's all the players fault for not exicuting" person.

and a Danny is a "Scumbag" person.

Zorn won't say shove it cause if he does DS doesn't have to pay him but if DS fires him he still has to pay him. I don't think Zorn is that stupid about his money. It's ruining his rep if he had one but I'm not even sure he had one. He was a QB coach. Only 2 times has it worked out in the past.....Andy Reid, and Gruden.
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Old 10-09-2009, 05:46 PM   #175
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From Charlie Casserly to the guys on PTI to everyone on ESPN and the NFL network, have given this......... "the kiss of Death for Zorn"............only becuase it was done so far into the season .I thnk this was unfair to Zorn..........another Snyder miscue.
unfair for Zorn? I agree in the sense that he was not OC or HC material. So DS/Cerrato put him in a position to lose.

but lets look at the pot calling the Kettle black. I believe you fans were ready to take off Coughlins head before the second yr.

Had Zorn started out bad and ended good we would feel more positive, but instead he started out good and ended the season on a bad note and is still he has not figured out how to turn it around. That's why he should go.
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Bringing in a consultant reeks of a business move...and who is the business man of the year in our front office?

The consultant was Snyder's idea...Sherman Smith was probably Vinny's.
What proof do you have of this? Oh I forgot we don't need proof to bash Snyder, every move that we don't like gets ascribed to him regardless of what the facts say.
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Old 10-09-2009, 06:00 PM   #177
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When Vinny was with the Niners, it was not uncommon to hire consultants. Bill Walsh was one. The Niners still do it, or as recently as last year they did. So I could see Vinny's past with San Fran influencing this decision
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I say we hire Bobby Beathard as a consultant to the GM. I think we need another set of eyes to help with player management....fair is fair. Are there mirrors in the FO for them to look at themselves? Double Standard!
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Old 10-09-2009, 06:14 PM   #179
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What proof do you have of this? Oh I forgot we don't need proof to bash Snyder, every move that we don't like gets ascribed to him regardless of what the facts say.
I'm not Snyder bashing in my statement...you're sensitive.

What proof did we have of the Haynesworth signing?...Our front office said that it was not going to pursue Haynesworth in free agency and then Snyder is dining with his agent the days before free agency started.

Next thing you know we're introducing Albert within hours of the start of free agency.

Our front office has proven their story is unreliable when it comes to player/staff personnel moves. If there was no reason to believe them then there isn't any reason to believe them now.
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Ok, so we'll count you in as an "It's all the players fault for not exicuting" person.

and a Danny is a "Scumbag" person.

Zorn won't say shove it cause if he does DS doesn't have to pay him but if DS fires him he still has to pay him. I don't think Zorn is that stupid about his money. It's ruining his rep if he had one but I'm not even sure he had one. He was a QB coach. Only 2 times has it worked out in the past.....Andy Reid, and Gruden.

I am not one of the "its all the players fault for not exicuting" person. I never even said that. My point was if two catches were made, the offensive questions wouldn't be near as bad as they are. I blame Zorn for some calls he makes, players for the lack of execution, its across the board. My reason for the post was to vent about how Snyder is putting his nose into crap that he shouldn't. again, what confidence now does the team have in Zorn, if the owner has basically put the writing on the wall that he is out. How does that create a winning attitude? I was being sarcastic regarding the "shove it" comment. Of course he'd be a jackass to quit, I just wish Dan would stay out of this stuff. He hired the guy (nothing more that a QB coach) so let the guy coach and let the guy try and right the ship. which at the beginning of the season I'd say 99% of us had the team at 3-1, were 2-2 right now, its not the time to undermine the damn head coach. Dan Snyder is a control freak, its ridiculous guys. I am sure he wants to win as bad as any of us, but honestly he has as much knowledge in running a football team as you or I. Just because he is a billionare doesn't make him a "football" expert.
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