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Old 10-07-2009, 11:05 AM   #106
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Yeah whatever! This reminds me of when they brought in Al Saunders. When they start winning games with authority I'll drink the Kool Aid. Until then I'm going unleaded.
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:17 AM   #107
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Ok, now I'm confused? People complain that the offense is horrible and needs to be fixed. Snyder gives Zorn what...19 games to fix the issues and we are not getting any better. He calls in a consultant to look at maybe the playcalls, when there being called, maybe the look at the WR and see if he can't get anything out of Kelly/Thomas/and maybe Mitchell.

and now we are going to complain that Snyder is meddling again? Help me out here, I would assume the Zorn experement is just about over and Snyder is trying one last thing to spark this so called " Scoring Machine" that Zorn was going to bring to the table. This guys has been in San Fran at the beginning of the WCO. He practically bailed out Holmgren in GB when he was brought in. He's helped out Shanahan and I thought I heard on the radio he helped out Dennis Green. This guy is the Zampese of the WCO and now we want to get upset. OK.
I think think in the big picture, this is a decent move. If nothing else, it officially puts Zorn on notice that he needs to get his act together, now, the team can afford to replace him. The ONLY chance Zorn has of saving his job (until the end of the year at least) is to win the next 3 games with solid offensive performances, no dumb play calls, and overall improvement shown each week. Anything less (and that includes a close loss to the panthers [90% certainty], a win over the chiefs [also a 90% certainty], and an impressive win over the eagles on MNF [i'd say 80% certainty given the fact Zorns job will be on the line]), and Zorn is out.
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:24 AM   #108
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I like the move. Sherman has experience with the West Coast Offense. The offense is moving the ball but not scoring. Maybe what is need is subtle changes.
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:42 AM   #109
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When Zorn was hired, Vinny told reporters that he had 2 years to succeed or he would be fired.
That Zorn had two years to succeed?
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:43 AM   #110
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I think think in the big picture, this is a decent move. If nothing else, it officially puts Zorn on notice that he needs to get his act together, now, the team can afford to replace him. The ONLY chance Zorn has of saving his job (until the end of the year at least) is to win the next 3 games with solid offensive performances, no dumb play calls, and overall improvement shown each week. Anything less (and that includes a close loss to the panthers [90% certainty], a win over the chiefs [also a 90% certainty], and an impressive win over the eagles on MNF [i'd say 80% certainty given the fact Zorns job will be on the line]), and Zorn is out.
I doubt that Lewis will contribute much over the next 3 weeks. The goal, I think, would be to let him evaluate up until the bye week, then help implement any changes he suggests, (including firing Hixon, as sad and tragic as that would be)
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:53 AM   #112
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:59 AM   #113
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The core of the problem is that the Skins just dont have the talent. This addition wont hurt but I dont look for much difference since its still the same players that have proven over and over that they just dont have it.
You know, I've heard the 'talent' excuse a bunch and I know we don't have top notch players on the OL or at WR but that's where I expect a coach to excel. Ok, you've given me this, now I have to make the best of it. I refuse to believe that 14 points per game is the absolute BEST that can be coaxed out of our offensive talent. That's where Zorn continues to fall short IMO and hopefully Lewis can help him past it.

Unfortunately, the pessimist in me thinks that Zorn will listen to what Lewis says but do what he wants to anyways because he's stubborn. I don't get the sense that he's willing to alter what he believes despite overwhelming evidence in his face to dispute it. Before this week, all I heard from him was 'my play calls were good, the execution lacked' so now we think that an outside source is going to come in and tell him his calls were hot garbage and he's gonna agree and change?

I hope to be proven wrong, I truly do, but I realistically think Shanahan's got his bags packed and his staff already in mind. Conspiracy theory of the day, Zorn is fired at the bye week, Blache (who I think is in his last year of his contract) is named HC, Lewis OC, both are 'interviewed/Rooney'd' before the holidays, Shanahan is named the new HC the Monday following the season finale.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:03 PM   #114
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I like the move. Sherman has experience with the West Coast Offense. The offense is moving the ball but not scoring. Maybe what is need is subtle changes.
Only in the 3rd quarter.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:04 PM   #115
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Agree with much of what you say there Pain.

Blache's impassioned speech the other night almost seems now like it was as much about telling VC and Snyder "put it on me. I'll take over this team for the second half of the season."
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That Zorn had two years to succeed?
No, that Cerrato did. Cerrato said Snyder was giving him two years in his current role. After that, he'd be removed from his current position (and in my opinion, move to some other, non-operational aspect of the franchise).
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:18 PM   #118
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Listening to ESPN980 right now and two really really interesting points were made:

1) If the skins have success, then Sherman Lewis, not Jim Zorn, will get all the credit.

2) - and this one's much more interesting. They replayed the last portion of Cerratos conference call with the media yesterday about the hire. Cerrato was asked what Sherman Lewis had been doing for the past 5 years. Cerrato's answer was something along the lines of "uhhh, i'm not really sure. I know he hasn't been coaching. uhhh, his son's the defensive coordinator at Michigan. Ok, thats it." Now, there are two possibilities which explain Cerratos response.

Possibility 1) Cerrato and Snyder didn't do a lick of due diligence before bringing in Lewis. They wikipedia'd "West Coast Offense" and his name came up, so they called him.

Possibility 2) Getting Lewis wasn't Cerratos idea (and it certainly wasn't Snyders because he's probably never even herad of the guy before). If it wasn't Cerrato's idea, then someone else told him to bring Sherman in. To me, this is almost complete confirmation that Holmgren told Cerrato to bring Sherman in, because Holmgren plans on taking over this team, if not midseason, then at the end of the year.
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No, that Cerrato did. Cerrato said Snyder was giving him two years in his current role. After that, he'd be removed from his current position (and in my opinion, move to some other, non-operational aspect of the franchise).
Yeah, well I mean I've been saying for a while now that within the next couple of years VC will probably move to a more "executive" position (even more so than now). Although that could always change of course, depending on the coaching situation.

But anyway, I know that Jay Glazer (or maybe it was Peter King?) said that Cerrato told him that he and the new head coach would have two years to turn things around or they'd be gone...but that's also the way Cerrato tends to talk sometimes. I don't believe he ever actually said Snyder said they would be fired.
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Yeah, well I mean I've been saying for a while now that within the next couple of years VC will probably move to a more "executive" position (even more so than now). Although that could always change of course, depending on the coaching situation.

But anyway, I know that Jay Glazer (or maybe it was Peter King?) said that Cerrato told him that he and the new head coach would have two years to turn things around or they'd be gone...but that's also the way Cerrato tends to talk sometimes. I don't believe he ever actually said Snyder said they would be fired.
Well, ultimately, I don't think Cerrato, himself, is a problem. I think he's a good talent evaluator. The problem is, Snyder's got his hand in things and Cerrato either lacks the balls or the authority to veto Snyder on certain personnel moves.
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