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Old 10-12-2009, 03:37 PM   #151
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I do not pretend to know either Marty Schottenheimer or Danny Boy. However, I do know several folks who know both of these men well.


According to those folks, Marty is VERY difficult to work with and particularly difficult in a situation where you put him in charge of something. In that scenario, his idea is that he is the only person on Earth who should be allowed to make even the most trivial deicsion about what goes on there. AND by reputation, he is not the most tactful person on the planet when it comes to telling people to stay out of his business.


According to other folks, Danny Boy thinks that his money makes him the smartest guy in the room under almost any circumstances. But according to those same folks, he's not the smartest guy in the room - - ever. And because he thinks he knows just about everything, he cannot abide people making decisions that do not involve his "approval" or "impramatur".


Admittedly, I have distilled info here to keep these descriptions brief but if you look at the two of them and imagine how those folks might work well together, you will see that it is highly unlikely. They tried it once; it didn't work; neither one is interested in burying the hatchet - - unless it is between the eyebrows of the other one.
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the staff is being set up for holmgren, and a plus is that holmgren likes campbell as a quarterback. would not be surprised if within the next week or two he steps in.
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Interesting news:

Rick Snider » Sources: Gruden atop Snyder's wish list | Washington Examiner
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SBXVII:

I do not pretend to know either Marty Schottenheimer or Danny Boy. However, I do know several folks who know both of these men well.


According to those folks, Marty is VERY difficult to work with and particularly difficult in a situation where you put him in charge of something. In that scenario, his idea is that he is the only person on Earth who should be allowed to make even the most trivial deicsion about what goes on there. AND by reputation, he is not the most tactful person on the planet when it comes to telling people to stay out of his business.


According to other folks, Danny Boy thinks that his money makes him the smartest guy in the room under almost any circumstances. But according to those same folks, he's not the smartest guy in the room - - ever. And because he thinks he knows just about everything, he cannot abide people making decisions that do not involve his "approval" or "impramatur".


Admittedly, I have distilled info here to keep these descriptions brief but if you look at the two of them and imagine how those folks might work well together, you will see that it is highly unlikely. They tried it once; it didn't work; neither one is interested in burying the hatchet - - unless it is between the eyebrows of the other one.
LOL. What a visual

Never spent any time with Snyder (no substantial time at least) but I did spend a lot of time around Schottenheimer and that's pretty much a 100% accurate assessment of him. Superbly arrogant with a remarkably annoying penchant for detail. I was very impressed by him, especially by the way he came in and took charge after the Norv fiasco, but I could see how having to deal with him or work for him could drive someone crazy
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Well this won't please too many people

"Snyder is seeking is a candidate willing to leave major personnel decisions to Cerrato and the owner. NFL sources close to Gruden said that's not an expected deal breaker."

Gruden with Bruce Allen, heck even just Bruce Allen without Gruden, could have been nice. I'm not sure who the sources are who say Gruden is interested in the Redskins, I'm curious to know who they are. Not saying they're wrong but I've got arguably the best source when it comes to Gruden and in the last few weeks this source has repeatedly said "not interested" But...it's only October
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SBXVII:

I do not pretend to know either Marty Schottenheimer or Danny Boy. However, I do know several folks who know both of these men well.


According to those folks, Marty is VERY difficult to work with and particularly difficult in a situation where you put him in charge of something. In that scenario, his idea is that he is the only person on Earth who should be allowed to make even the most trivial deicsion about what goes on there. AND by reputation, he is not the most tactful person on the planet when it comes to telling people to stay out of his business.


According to other folks, Danny Boy thinks that his money makes him the smartest guy in the room under almost any circumstances. But according to those same folks, he's not the smartest guy in the room - - ever. And because he thinks he knows just about everything, he cannot abide people making decisions that do not involve his "approval" or "impramatur".


Admittedly, I have distilled info here to keep these descriptions brief but if you look at the two of them and imagine how those folks might work well together, you will see that it is highly unlikely. They tried it once; it didn't work; neither one is interested in burying the hatchet - - unless it is between the eyebrows of the other one.
But....if DS is not getting anyone worth a crap and he does come to the realization that he needs to just write the checks and allow someone else with football knowledge to build the team then maybe M.Schottenheimer is the man to know when to say "Get lost DS." Otherewise we will see more of the same enablers. Saying..."Whatever you want DS."
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Well this won't please too many people

"Snyder is seeking is a candidate willing to leave major personnel decisions to Cerrato and the owner. NFL sources close to Gruden said that's not an expected deal breaker."

Gruden with Bruce Allen, heck even just Bruce Allen without Gruden, could have been nice. I'm not sure who the sources are who say Gruden is interested in the Redskins, I'm curious to know who they are. Not saying they're wrong but I've got arguably the best source when it comes to Gruden and in the last few weeks this source has repeatedly said "not interested" But...it's only October
Are you comfortable with that?
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Are you comfortable with that?
Comfortable with what?
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The prospect of VC/LeDan with the personnel action, and Gruden with coaching duties? Does that sound to you like a successful FO family?
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The prospect of VC/LeDan with the personnel action, and Gruden with coaching duties? Does that sound to you like a successful FO family?
In the short term perhaps. I can see Gruden firing up the team and getting them top play lights out for a couple of years. But that will fizzle out rather quickly

It's probably not the most ideal scenario
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"Snyder is seeking is a candidate willing to leave major personnel decisions to Cerrato and the owner. NFL sources close to Gruden said that's not an expected deal breaker."
God help us. I hope these guys don't give up the world to get Bradford. Our first pick needs to be on a franchise LT.

EDIT: What did Gruden's TB teams bring to the table outside of Monte Kiffin's defense? Not a whole hell of a lot IMO.
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I personally have always liked Jon Gruden. Seems like he stated before that he patterned his offense around aspects of Joe Gibbs' offense (I remember hearing that but don't remember where.) He's a fiery coach who would definitely get his players excited to play. I was disappointed in his Tampa Bay teams in the past few years, but if it did have to do with the team being a little too frugal in the spending department, then I can see how that would limit Gruden's talent. Of course, seems like New England doesn't spend a lot and always seems to keep ticking along, so that shows you how much I know about free agency spending. But the long and short of it is, I just want a good seasoned veteran coach who can stay with the team for a long time. Gruden is young and has won a Super Bowl before. Gibbs was out of the league for way too long to really be effective, and Shotty has never been to the big dance.

I don't know...I just don't want this team losing anymore.
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In the short term perhaps. I can see Gruden firing up the team and getting them top play lights out for a couple of years. But that will fizzle out rather quickly

It's probably not the most ideal scenario
Naturally, I have no idea what DanFinger believes but....HOW can a man as bright as he is (self made Billionaire) not realize that VC may be All that as a GM, and worst case scenario may the Anti-GM? Hard to get a hold of.
I REALLY would like to proceed with an AssKickin' GM and let him do the coach selection work, albeit...swiftly
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