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Old 10-12-2009, 08:57 AM   #76
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Hm i am not sure it was a failure. I thought it was a bit above average. He got some great players beside the crappy ones. We also made it to the playoffs a couple times, with seemingly lackluster talent. You have to put that on coaching and discipline.

Gibbs 2.0 ran way better than the mess we have now. I love the Zman, but as SS said it is clear he in over his head. He isn't getting the best out of his players, some horrendous playcalling along with bad game management.

Right now this is just the extension of the Gibbs 2.0, for the most part this team is what Gibbs built, esipically on offense.
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Right now this is just the extension of the Gibbs 2.0, for the most part this team is what Gibbs built, esipically on offense.
Are you taking about the players or the offensive plays? Sure the run game is quite similar, but it worked a hell of a lot better with Gibbs. Also minus the two-timeout botch, Gibbs did a pretty good job in management.

Also he kept a team together, after a couple terrible starts; I highly doubt Zorn has that ability. If we lose next week the players are going to start giving up on him. We can already see the impacts of the lack of discipline both at Skins park and during games.

Yeah Gibbs player eval did have some flaws, but he got Cooley, Landry, Sean Taylor. I put a decent amount of blame on the FO this year, but Gibbs 2.0 owns Zorn any day IMO.
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Old 10-12-2009, 09:18 AM   #78
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Yup, you are right about Sellers.. He blew the block on safety play.. Pretty much almost everyone on offense has no discipline.. Obviously, this goes on Zorn..

JC is the main victim in this whole situation.. JC can play and he just showed it in the game.. But everyone else around him just keeps blow it away, which makes JC look bad..
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Yup, you are right about Sellers.. He blew the block on safety play.. Pretty much almost everyone on offense has no discipline.. Obviously, this goes on Zorn..

JC is the main victim in this whole situation.. JC can play and the game just showed it.. But everyone else around him just keeps blow it away, which makes JC look bad..
Obviously he is no Peyton, but he clearly can be a pretty good QB. I just feel sick to my stomach knowing he will be run outta town of this season.
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Hall took a bad angle on the play action fake and that's why he couldn't recover and make the tackle. He bit too hard on the fake. But so what? It's not like our offense would've marched down the field and got us in FG range.
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JC is the main victim in this whole situation.. JC can play and he just showed it in the game.. But everyone else around him just keeps blow it away, which makes JC look bad..
I dunno.

My quibble with the QB rating systems is their is no allowance for fumbles.

If you count a fumble the same as an interception, than JC's rating drops from 88.5 for all 2009 to a lowly 65.8.
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I dunno.

My quibble with the QB rating systems is their is no allowance for fumbles.

If you count a fumble the same as an interception, than JC's rating drops from 88.5 for all 2009 to a lowly 65.8.
But it would also drop the average QB rating into the 68.0-74.0 range. It's not like he would be the only quarterback who fumbles.

Campbell's year has not been quite as good as last year to this point. And that's disappointing, because that's one of the things that us becoming a division winner relied on.
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Horton, Moore, Tryon, Hall, Jarmon, Orakpo, Haynesworth...Gibbs didn't bring any of those guys in.

I understand that it's easy to just say all blame goes to Cerrato and all credit goes to Gibbs...but let's be real here. Yes, Gibbs brought in some great players and did some great thing his second time around. But he did also make some big personnel blunders (I didn't even mention the Campbell trade which wasn't just a swap of first rounders and could end up being a blunder as well) that have negatively impacted us. There's no getting around that

Isn't it really irrelivent how much of the fault actually lies with Vinny? I could be wrong but I read your posts a lot and I think that you believe that we would be better off if Vinny made more of the decisions then he has been allowed to make. In a way that is actually the same exact reason why most of us want him out. He does not have the clout as a GM and the respect of Snyder to make him step back. The only way the Redskins can win at all under Snyder is to have a GM that Snyder respects enough to step back. As long as Vinny is in charge of personel Snyder will always be too involved.
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Obviously he is no Peyton, but he clearly can be a pretty good QB. I just feel sick to my stomach knowing he will be run outta town of this season.
We need to keep him in DC next year no matter at least as a backup, i will feel sick when he goes elsewhere and a be productive. Chicago seemed not able to work with Orton shipped him out got him a legit # 1 in Marshall & legit #2 in Royal with Moreno in the backfield 5-0 who needs Cutler. JC played better than Orton last year too.
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Okay, Here's a question for you guys.

Most (if not all) of you know a whole lot more than I do:

If you keep JC, what kind of contract do you give him?
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Okay, Here's a question for you guys.

Most (if not all) of you know a whole lot more than I do:

If you keep JC, what kind of contract do you give him?
As a backup i guess vet min or similar to his rookie contract nothing big
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Okay, Here's a question for you guys.

Most (if not all) of you know a whole lot more than I do:

If you keep JC, what kind of contract do you give him?
The way the current CBA is set up, we can offer him a RFA tender at 120% of his current salary, (which comes to roughly $3 million dollars) and receive compensation for him if he leaves.

This would not prevent the Redskins from bringing in outside competition for the job.
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The way the current CBA is set up, we can offer him a RFA tender at 120% of his current salary, (which comes to roughly $3 million dollars) and receive compensation for him if he leaves.


Wow.

So to keep him in whatever form, we have to give him a 20% raise?

Outta here.
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Wow.

So to keep him in whatever form, we have to give him a 20% raise?

Outta here.
Yeah, which raises him to roughly the salary of Rex Grossman or Todd Collins.

This franchise can't afford that kind of change.
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Yeah, which raises him to roughly the salary of Rex Grossman or Todd Collins.

This franchise can't afford that kind of change.
No kidding.

Looks like we are in for two more rebuilding years, and we all have seen how JC deals with change.

Sucks being us.
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