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Old 10-18-2009, 07:38 PM   #31
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Zorn has lost all control of this team and despite all of his experience of playing in the nfl and in coaching, he isn't seasoned enough to change things around.

I was hoping that he was learning to be a head coach when he was with Seattle.

As far as snyder and cerrato are concerned, they seem to do well while judging talent on defense. But with offensive talent, they are horrible. Maybe instead of hoping that they get a traditional GM, which would probably be the best but unlikely decision, they should just hire someone in a position to evaluate and help with offensive players in the draft and free agency. And probably someone who can help with picking out an offensive minded head coach.
Zorn was never in control of this team. CSN post-game show put it best, nobody's going to want to coach here (Except for maybe Gruden) as long as Vinny and Cerrato continue trying to think they can out coach the coach.
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Old 10-18-2009, 07:40 PM   #32
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Well said. I will be a much more patient fan if I saw this shift toward stockpiling picks and building quality depth through the draft.
I agree with you. The problem is there is no more patience to be had...as we have been saying this for how many years now!??
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Old 10-18-2009, 07:43 PM   #33
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I hope I wake up in the morning and espnews has a zorn is fired news flash
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Old 10-18-2009, 07:45 PM   #34
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I hope I wake up in the morning and espnews has a zorn is fired news flash
Next week. I would like to wake up and hear that Vinny resigned or got fired, that's even better news
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Old 10-18-2009, 07:58 PM   #35
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I hope by tomorrow the whole roster is gone. It's time to blow the whole thing to pieces and start over. Anything less is ridiculous.
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Well said. I will be a much more patient fan if I saw this shift toward stockpiling picks and building quality depth through the draft.
Agreed. I would add the necessity to coach our young players better. If the young ones that we do have on the OL and in receivers were developed into competence, our offense could be pretty good. Instead it seems like the rookies don't develop. It is not enough to draft 'em - you must train them, too.
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F the Skins fcking awful make me sick and sad to be a fan
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Agreed. I would add the necessity to coach our young players better. If the young ones that we do have on the OL and in receivers were developed into competence, our offense could be pretty good. Instead it seems like the rookies don't develop. It is not enough to draft 'em - you must train them, too.
It seems like if they're not ready to start when they get here, they never will be. I'm definitely not sold on our staff. I wonder if any of our offensive coaches could fill the same position on any other team?
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Old 10-18-2009, 08:22 PM   #39
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nana na na, nana na na,

hey, hey, hey

goooodbye.

seasons done folks. Sorry your reality came so late after holding out so much hope. Glad you could join the few folks whose reality already was brought to them. By the way....do we play the Titans this yr? hate to not add all the teams with losing records getting a chance to beat us.
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Old 10-18-2009, 08:39 PM   #40
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It seems to me there are two different scenarios that we'll likely see play out. On the one hand the Skins are a team that typically play up or down to the opponent, so it's possible that while we don't win many more games we keep the scores relatively close. In the other scenario we see our Skins get blown out in at least half the remaining games, because 1) we face winning teams that play to win and 2) the problems on the oline can't be fixed any time soon and the offense just doesn't score more than 5-10 points/game through the rest of '09.

First of all I don't think the HC or starting QB will make much difference in determining which scenario is more likely, but nonetheless I think the outcome is really important and here's why: a season of blowouts likely puts as much pressure as possible on Snyder to make fundamental changes to the way he runs the Redskins, while a season of close losses probably allows him to maintain the same FO structure. Now, for those of us convinced the Snyder/Vinny FO situation is the root cause of our lousy predicament, it's actually pretty tempting to hope the little man in the owner's box is forced into giving up the reins, firing his weird little toady, and handing the team over to the best GM willing to take the job.

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I am so sick of this myth that I could throw up whenever I hear it mentioned. How could we possibly play down to anyone? We are the definition of a bottom feeder. We are not being upset week after week by lesser teams. We are getting beaten by teams who are better than we are. That's why they play the games - to find out which team is better.

Detroit is better than we are. Carolina is better than we are. KC is better than we are. And every one of those teams is absolutely terrible. What does that make us?

The Redskins have just gone through a five game stretch that just might represent the easiest schedule in the history of the NFL, and we only won two of those games! I've been a Skins fan for over fifty years and, to tell you the sad truth, this is the worst offense I have ever seen on a Redskins team.

So that's where we stand. We have a good defense and, to go with it, we have the absolute worst offense I have ever seen on a Redskins team. Put the two together and we are a bottom dwelling team. We do not play down to the competition because there is no down from where we live. We live in the same level of the food chain as St. Louis, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Carolina, and Kansas City.
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Agreed. I would add the necessity to coach our young players better. If the young ones that we do have on the OL and in receivers were developed into competence, our offense could be pretty good. Instead it seems like the rookies don't develop. It is not enough to draft 'em - you must train them, too.
An excellent point Lotus. The one group that may get a slight pass here is the oline because I don't believe Buges has been given squat to work with. But the development elsewhere is next to nothing.

...one thing I'm not sure too many people know is Saunders did the most to develop Cooley (Cooley has talked about it). Of course the TE position was always integral to Saunders scheme so it makes sense, and Cooley said they just watched tons of video of TE greats. So basically the only coach to have developed an offensive player since...I can remember when...was canned as soon as Snyder/Vinny got the opportunity. These guys are just too smart.
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This season should be thrown in a trash heap along with every Jason Taylor, Adam Archuletta, Jeff George, and Deion Sanders jersey.

Snyder!!! I hate your guts!!! Thanks for ruining my childhood team, pissant!
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I'm beginning to think the reason we go after all of these big-name free-agents is because the front office does not know how to properly draft players, so they compensate by going out and getting players that were once proven at the position. This problem is couched in the fact that we do not have a proper General Manager, thus when we do draft players its like throwing darts in the dark, sometimes you find gems like Chris Horton or Marko Mitchell, but you get a lot of busts, like Devin Thomas or Rod Gardner or Taylor Jacobs.
Also why we don't often handle FA well, "oh he's a receiver" or "he's a safety" while completely misusing the player. We tried to make Arch a cover safety, etc.. our team sees positions, not schemes... too much oh he's a lineman, he can play any line position.. he's a linebacker, we only use 3, he should be able to handle any of those spots just fine, etc
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I am so sick of this myth that I could throw up whenever I hear it mentioned. How could we possibly play down to anyone? We are the definition of a bottom feeder. We are not being upset week after week by lesser teams. We are getting beaten by teams who are better than we are. That's why they play the games - to find out which team is better.

Detroit is better than we are. Carolina is better than we are. KC is better than we are. And every one of those teams is absolutely terrible. What does that make us?

The Redskins have just gone through a five game stretch that just might represent the easiest schedule in the history of the NFL, and we only won two of those games! I've been a Skins fan for over fifty years and, to tell you the sad truth, this is the worst offense I have ever seen on a Redskins team.

So that's where we stand. We have a good defense and, to go with it, we have the absolute worst offense I have ever seen on a Redskins team. Put the two together and we are a bottom dwelling team. We do not play down to the competition because there is no down from where we live. We live in the same level of the food chain as St. Louis, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Carolina, and Kansas City.
I guess the truth hurts because most of the fans were lead to believe we had a playoff team based on our so called talented roster.
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:15 AM   #45
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Great thread and i totally agree with your scenarios goat. I shouldnt say this but if we do get blown out for the rest of the year then we can go into to rebuilding mode which i think will be better long term. Even if we do keep zorn for what ever reason at least let him pick his own staff. I think that is why not much has changed since gibbs left. Its still the same shitty offense, just shittier.

Also I really think our WR's need to step up. I am starting to think its more their fault then the qb's and yes i know our o line isnt good but its not insanely bad either. It just seems like our wide recievers dont play hard... thier always jogging around.i mean we cant even execute basic plays. I really think randel el had a shot at that fade too after the portis run, he just didnt make much of an attempt at the ball. sorry im just ranting here but its really just pathetic how bad our offense is...
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