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Old 10-18-2009, 09:05 PM   #16
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The Skins have a championship in one area, cynical fans.

If Zorn can't see that this team is sinking fast he shouldn't be the HC anyways. If they can work together to find a solution that gets this team headed in the right direction then everybody will be happy. It's ridiculous to say he should refuse. Hell my boss and I were talking today, and he had a story of a guy who lost his job cuz the boss said come in at 8 and this guy refused. Zorn does need to grow a pair, but he needs to man up and realize that he needs help and not let his ego interfere with finding a winning recipe on this team.
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Old 10-18-2009, 09:09 PM   #17
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Can't get any worse. This offense is a putrid, sputtering joke. From a Redskins standpoint, this is probably a good thing. From a Zorn standpoint... Well, I think he knows he's outta here anyway. He might as well take a little stress out of his work week.
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Old 10-18-2009, 09:12 PM   #18
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Can't get any worse. This offense is a putrid, sputtering joke. From a Redskins standpoint, this is probably a good thing. From a Zorn standpoint... Well, I think he knows he's outta here anyway. He might as well take a little stress out of his work week.
give him time to put the house up for sale and pad up the ol resume'
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Old 10-18-2009, 09:21 PM   #19
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Any coach that comes in here is going to have to deal with a front office that is a nightmare. I would not wish this coaching job on my worst enemy. Things will never improve and we will never return to greatness until something is done in the front office.
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Old 10-18-2009, 09:34 PM   #20
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I am going to take a different view of this and say that Zorn is absolutely NOT the problem. He can only work with the tools that are given to him and those are some of the dullest, most broken and inadequate tools anywhere. Who bought those tools? Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder. I have seen more passes dropped. More passes thrown away from the receiver. More linemen give up their blocks. More runners fail to attack the gap. More cornerbacks drop interceptions. More defensive players flat out MISS tackles....than I have ever seen on any team not at the Pop Warner level. That is NOT on Zorn. That is on one of the worst collections of players I've seen. These guys are paper tigers. They hype themselves up every year as though we should just go ahead and hand them the Lombardi Trophy. And every year we get the same thing...failure. What is the only constant over the past 10 years of losing? Snyder and Cerrato. So, Zorn may take the fall, but I guarantee you that until we get a REAL GM with REAL AUTHORITY, the results will continue to be dismal and the next coach will take the fall, and the next and the next. I love the Skins, but I hate this front office as much as I hate the Cowgirls.
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Old 10-18-2009, 11:03 PM   #21
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I guess I'm in the minority here, but I think it's a great idea. Even Gibbs gave up playcalling in Gibbs 2.0 and just about everyone agreed that Zorn was taking on too many jobs in trying to be everything. If I was Zorn I'd ask for a written promise (with a million dollar bonus if Danny renigs) that he not be removed until after the season and see how it goes with someone else calling plays. It's still his gameplan, offense and direction.
I have the same hope that you do, that the offense may improve with someone else calling the plays. Some tendencies should be broken up, if nothing else. But there is no guarantee that change will be for the better.

I agree with Dungy. Zorn should be drawing the line on this one, even though he's not. He's delaying the inevitable. He's going down; he might as well go down swinging.
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Old 10-18-2009, 11:05 PM   #22
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Wasn't this guy initially hired to be the play caller? This whole era has been a bit of a head scratcher.
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The Skins have a championship in one area, cynical fans.

If Zorn can't see that this team is sinking fast he shouldn't be the HC anyways. If they can work together to find a solution that gets this team headed in the right direction then everybody will be happy. It's ridiculous to say he should refuse. Hell my boss and I were talking today, and he had a story of a guy who lost his job cuz the boss said come in at 8 and this guy refused. Zorn does need to grow a pair, but he needs to man up and realize that he needs help and not let his ego interfere with finding a winning recipe on this team.
Well said. Plus most of the fans here don't have the balls to tell their on boss no. I think its a good idea for Zorn to give up play calling, just look at our offense this season.
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Wasn't this guy initially hired to be the play caller? This whole era has been a bit of a head scratcher.
Yep, unless they ended up hiring a HC that wanted it himself.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:42 AM   #25
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Why did the FO think Zorn could 'do it all' in the first place?
1. Cheaper
2. Easier to fire 1 man when Cowher,Holmgren,Shanahan and Gruden want to coach again.

We all knew Zorn was a stop gap HC from the beginning that was hired and promoted after the other candidates turned us down.
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Wasn't this guy initially hired to be the play caller? This whole era has been a bit of a head scratcher.
If Im wrong correct but, doesn't every new HC bring in his own coaches and assistants to teach the team their way of football. Not this, lets pickup this coach here and there then lets find a HC to run the team. I mean if you hire a Offensive Cord. before a HC, who says they run the same offense or for that matter have the same football philosophy.

I just saying thats whats being done here, with the Dan and Vin Show!
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:09 AM   #27
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well It's official he wont be calling plays anymore
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:19 AM   #28
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Why did the FO think Zorn could 'do it all' in the first place?
well first off he was hired as OC meaning he wouldn't have to do it all, but we knew we wouldn't be able to pull him over just as a glorified QB coach, so he needed a title

eventually we were like heh, nobody is going to be our HC... at that point Zorn could've decided to allow Sherman Smith to call the plays as he found his role, but he didn't
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If Im wrong correct but, doesn't every new HC bring in his own coaches and assistants to teach the team their way of football. Not this, lets pickup this coach here and there then lets find a HC to run the team. I mean if you hire a Offensive Cord. before a HC, who says they run the same offense or for that matter have the same football philosophy.

I just saying thats whats being done here, with the Dan and Vin Show!
Someone, maybe Vinny I suppose, should have stepped in from the beginning and seen the coaching staff and said hey you've got no play-calling experience at all on offense. You might want to re-think this. The staff has less experience than Steve Spurrier's, which had hardly any. I'll tell you who saw this coming back in April 2008...jsarno, that's who.
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Well said. Plus most of the fans here don't have the balls to tell their on boss no. I think its a good idea for Zorn to give up play calling, just look at our offense this season.
If you're qualified professional you should have no problem telling your boss "no" because you should be skilled enough in what you're doing. If your boss doesn't like the way you work then you can find work and pay elsewhere, if you are a skilled enough worker.

...believe me...if you're a skilled worker companies will walk on eggshells around you. If the opposite is true, then you'll have to walk on eggshells around "the boss".


It just goes to show Zorn's ineptitude overall as a professional head coach. This is no fault of his own but Cerrato who brought in someone who could be easily influenced by money and advancement and not someone who is a qualified professional and thus has to walk on eggshells around the boss.


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