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Old 10-19-2009, 01:27 PM   #31
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Getting the money is good and a no brainer but you do have to factor this in...your professional credibility.

If he proves to have no regard for his own authority as an NFL head coach that is going to affect his authority in future positions. The NFL is run by leaders, compromising in this fashion is pretty much telling everyone in the league that you are a push over when it comes to your command.


He better enjoy the money he receives here because I don't envision his head coaching or offensive coordinating career continuing in the long run.

I think the only credibility question was when he accepted the job here. And no one can blame a quarterback coach for taking a head job.

Nothing Zorn has done will hurt his credibilty as a professional. This organization is a joke and no one will fault Zorn for ensuring his paycheck on the way out the door.

Plus this is by far the biggest paycheck that he has seen or probably will ever see. He is playing this hand perfectly.
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Getting the money is good and a no brainer but you do have to factor this in...your professional credibility.

If he proves to have no regard for his own authority as an NFL head coach that is going to affect his authority in future positions. The NFL is run by leaders, compromising in this fashion is pretty much telling everyone in the league that you are a push over when it comes to your command.


He better enjoy the money he receives here because I don't envision his head coaching or offensive coordinating career continuing in the long run.
I'm going to disagree with you on that one. There's something about failing here, in Washington, that to a certain extent gives you cover for your next gig.

I'll bet that another team will snap Zorn up after this mess and he'll move on with his life in the NFL. I don't think he'll ever be head coach material, but I do think there's room for his talent at the NFL level. He'll be fine.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:29 PM   #33
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I agree with Zorn's waiting for Snyder to pay him off to leave, but Vinny is the one that needs to leave.

I don't think Vinny is too far behind...
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:31 PM   #34
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I agree with Zorn's waiting for Snyder to pay him off to leave, but Vinny is the one that needs to leave.
It almost looks like Snyder has said to Vinny that the moment you fire Zorn is the moment that you are also fired.

It looks like Vinny is trying to find a way to keep Zorn on but get the major decisions to qualified people so he has a chance to technically have Zorn succeed.

Strange as hell but really...no one can make sense of what is happening in DC.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:32 PM   #35
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I do feel for Zorn, he looks like a broken man, but he should have never been hired in the first place.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:33 PM   #36
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Well, a quicker way to force Snyder to fire you is say, thank you for the suggestion, but this is my team and I will call the plays.
That's what a man would do. Then he leaves with everything in tact. He retains his dignity, gains respect, and gets paid. There are a ton of people in the NFL that would've had a lot more respect for Zorn if he had the balls to stand up for himself. Everyone in the NFL knows what goes on in Ashburn, Oakland, and Dallas.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:34 PM   #37
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The thing is, I rooted for Snyder to get the team because he seemed like the perfect owner. Boy, was I wrong. The team has degraded and is in a downward spiral ever since he bought the Redskins. Go, Vinny...to anyplace but here.
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Getting the money is good and a no brainer but you do have to factor this in...your professional credibility.

If he proves to have no regard for his own authority as an NFL head coach that is going to affect his authority in future positions. The NFL is run by leaders, compromising in this fashion is pretty much telling everyone in the league that you are a push over when it comes to your command.


He better enjoy the money he receives here because I don't envision his head coaching or offensive coordinating career continuing in the long run.
He's not commanding an army, he's a head coach and that's way more about understanding and dealing with everyone in the organization from players to mgmt to the receptionist that it is about dolling out orders and playing the pseudo hard a$$. There is an interesting piece in this week's Sports Illustrated about drill sgt coaches.

Everyone in the league knows what the Skins organization is like and I dont think his credibility will be hurt at all. The best way to hurt his credibility is to be an antogonistic jerk. That would kill his future prospects more than anything. Because one compromises does not mean he's a pushover, it means he knows how to play the game and work with people.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:42 PM   #39
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I don't think Zorn is soft. He is an NFL quarterback. I would say he is tougher than 99% of the people out there.

He is an idiot as a head coach but not a soft bitch. He has outsmarted Minny Me!
As a player he was tough as nails. But as a coach he's just soft. He's letting a guy that's been there two weeks take over his offense. That's a fucking joke. He should've let Sherman Smith, who is actually the OC call the plays. I didn't really have a problem w/ bringing in Lewis to look things over but now he's the play caller???? WTF????????? I wonder what would've happened to Vinny if he said this to Joe Gibbs. lol.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:46 PM   #40
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We are a COMPLETE Laughing STOCK

I think it is completely underrated how horrible a move it is to have Sherm Lewis call the plays...this is down right embarassing.

He has been with the team 2 weeks, wasn't there for preseason, doesn't know the players, hasn't called plays in forever and wasn't good at it when he did it. WTF is Vinny doing????

I can't believe Zorn is sticking around, but at least he is making Vinny and Danny fire him and further look like the inept douches they are. I can't think of any other reason why Vinny would do this except to force Zorns resignation.

That was the most uncomfortable press conference I have ever listened too.... DAMN, just DAMN!
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As a player he was tough as nails. But as a coach he's just soft. He's letting a guy that's been there two weeks take over his offense. That's a fucking joke. He should've let Sherman Smith, who is actually the OC call the plays. I didn't really have a problem w/ bringing in Lewis to look things over but now he's the play caller???? WTF????????? I wonder what would've happened to Vinny if he said this to Joe Gibbs. lol.
Joe doesn't need the money, or the job. There's a big difference. Plus Joe's as close to a God in this town, and an idol to Snyder, as you're going to get.

Bravado and ultimatums sound good on Monday morning but tactically are just a stupid move.

Zorn likely knows that:

a) He's fired, one way or another
b) The team knows this and may already see him as a lame duck
c) Snyder and Vinny would prefer if he quits and/or does something to violate his contract which make it cheaper for them to get rid of him
d) The rest of the league and/or nation are probably going to see him with a mix of pity and ridicule (but certainly don't put the blame squarely on him).
e) At least a few of the team's aging prima-donna stars (e.g. Portis) have a direct line to Snyder and won't hesitate to knife him in the back should he try any "it's us versus them, guys!" locker-room speeches.

In any case, Jim Zorn is maximizing the amount he gets paid for this humiliating end to a promising chapter in his life. Most of us had some form of experience like this, and if you haven't, you haven't been taking enough risks. Go read any biography of any successful entrepreneur, I guarantee there's at least one hugely embarrassing failure in there.

He will get work again as a QB coach, and my guess is will learn from this and get the chance to become an offensive coordinator again someday. Head coach? Maybe not. But I don't think we've seen the last of Jim Zorn in this league.
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I know, funny ain't it? When I know my blood is about to boil over, I just think of how pissed Al Snyderrato must feel. It makes me feel great!
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Yep, embarrassment. I would almost put us on the same tier FO-wise as the Raiders.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:58 PM   #44
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Joe doesn't need the money, or the job. There's a big difference. Plus Joe's as close to a God in this town, and an idol to Snyder, as you're going to get.

Bravado and ultimatums sound good on Monday morning but tactically are just a stupid move.

Zorn likely knows that:

a) He's fired, one way or another
b) The team knows this and may already see him as a lame duck
c) Snyder and Vinny would prefer if he quits and/or does something to violate his contract which make it cheaper for them to get rid of him
d) The rest of the league and/or nation are probably going to see him with a mix of pity and ridicule (but certainly don't put the blame squarely on him).
e) At least a few of the team's aging prima-donna stars (e.g. Portis) have a direct line to Snyder and won't hesitate to knife him in the back should he try any "it's us versus them, guys!" locker-room speeches.

In any case, Jim Zorn is maximizing the amount he gets paid for this humiliating end to a promising chapter in his life. Most of us had some form of experience like this, and if you haven't, you haven't been taking enough risks. Go read any biography of any successful entrepreneur, I guarantee there's at least one hugely embarrassing failure in there.

He will get work again as a QB coach, and my guess is will learn from this and get the chance to become an offensive coordinator again someday. Head coach? Maybe not. But I don't think we've seen the last of Jim Zorn in this league.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:59 PM   #45
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Umm guys, something needs to change. I'm glad we are making this move. Our offense can't score against the fucking Chiefs. C'mon. It really can't get any worse.
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