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Old 10-19-2009, 03:03 PM   #16
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Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!"

ANd what is the point? The whole team is a disaster, including Campbell. Trying to exonerate Campbell is a waste of time at this point. Why does everyone else outside of Skins fandom think this guy is average at best? JC is one piece on the field, but probably the most important one though. He still holds onto the ball too long and his decision making is suspect. Sounds like what a lot of folks were saying about Ramsey back in the day, and look what Gibbs did to him after what half a game? No one should be hating on JC, but no one should be saying this guy is our franchise QB either. Since you like stats so much here's one for you. Unless JC really lights it up with TD passes after the bye, good ole Gus will still be above him in the all time Skins passing TD stat. That's right bub!!!!!! Gus Frerotte knew how to get the pigskin in the endzone regardless of all his other faults!!!!!!! Give me Leslie Sheppard and Henry Ellard over any of these WR clowns we have now any day!!!!!!
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:05 PM   #17
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Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!"

Give me the line Gus had too. Shit we don't you give me the whole '95 squad back. My point is that the QB is only as good as the team around him, but conversely the QB still can make t hose around him that much better if he truly was special. You don't get that quality with JC.
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Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!"

Good God almighty, I'm not exonerating Campbell. Do people read before posting, or just see anything with the letters "QB" in it and auto-post their prepared position statement on why JC is [awesome | sucks] ??
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ANd what is the point? The whole team is a disaster, including Campbell. Trying to exonerate Campbell is a waste of time at this point. Why does everyone else outside of Skins fandom think this guy is average at best? JC is one piece on the field, but probably the most important one though. He still holds onto the ball too long and his decision making is suspect. Sounds like what a lot of folks were saying about Ramsey back in the day, and look what Gibbs did to him after what half a game? No one should be hating on JC, but no one should be saying this guy is our franchise QB either. Since you like stats so much here's one for you. Unless JC really lights it up with TD passes after the bye, good ole Gus will still be above him in the all time Skins passing TD stat. That's right bub!!!!!! Gus Frerotte knew how to get the pigskin in the endzone regardless of all his other faults!!!!!!! Give me Leslie Sheppard and Henry Ellard over any of these WR clowns we have now any day!!!!!!
I'm going to go ahead and note that the quality of any posting on the Internet is inversely proportional to the number of exclamation points used.

Also, Campbell hasn't headbutted any concrete walls yet.
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Give me the line Gus had too. Shit we don't you give me the whole '95 squad back. My point is that the QB is only as good as the team around him, but conversely the QB still can make t hose around him that much better if he truly was special. You don't get that quality with JC.
We didn't get it with Gus either so give it up already.
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Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!"

I am a huge believer of the system vs. the individual player where a mediocre QB can do well enough, or even thrive, given the system/team around him. Look at the early 2000 Rams--Kurt Warner comes in and plays like a hall-of-famer; once he leaves, another unexceptional QB comes in a puts up 3500+ yds/25+ TD's a season! Take the Broncos run of late-round stud RB's--a testament to the run-blocking rather than the exceptional talent of these players.

Kyle Orton is going to be a free agent, I think the Broncos should look into Jason Campbell as a talented plug-in QB for their system.
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ANd what is the point? The whole team is a disaster, including Campbell. Trying to exonerate Campbell is a waste of time at this point. Why does everyone else outside of Skins fandom think this guy is average at best? JC is one piece on the field, but probably the most important one though. He still holds onto the ball too long and his decision making is suspect. Sounds like what a lot of folks were saying about Ramsey back in the day, and look what Gibbs did to him after what half a game? No one should be hating on JC, but no one should be saying this guy is our franchise QB either.
I don't think anyone ever said that he'd for sure be a franchise QB, a lot of us were in a wait-and-see mode (and we've been proven wrong). I think the point of this thread is for unintelligent people who feel that if you put any other QB behind our shitty line, we're going to the SB.

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Unless JC really lights it up with TD passes after the bye, good ole Gus will still be above him in the all time Skins passing TD stat. That's right bub!!!!!! Gus Frerotte knew how to get the pigskin in the endzone regardless of all his other faults!!!!!!! Give me Leslie Sheppard and Henry Ellard over any of these WR clowns we have now any day!!!!!!
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Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!"

Look i'm not going to criticize the point of this thread or the poster. The information in the OP was at least well put together.

I will say that trying to prove whether it is or isn't a QB's fault for a team's poor performance by using Passer/QB ratings is a logical fallacy. All that proves is that he is able statistically perform at times in games.
- It doesn't take into account the quality of our opponents
- It doesn't take into account the types of passes/risks that the QB is taking
- It doesn't take into account whether he is producing consistently throughout the game (i.e. helping to dominate the time of possession) or at key junctures throughout the game.
- It doesn't take into account that when we are playing from behind and the opposing defense is allowing for high percentage short yardage throws those same stats are supplied with an artificial boost.
- It doesn't take into account the fact that he is not scoring in the redzone.
- It ABSOLUTELY doesn't take into account Wins and Losses...which should be his ultimate judging metric.

The bottom line is that JC is not getting it done regardless of whether or not there are other mitigating factors to explain why he is not able to genuinely (not statistically) play at a high level.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:12 PM   #25
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Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!"

Wow, it's like the opponents' passer rating, discussion of playoffs and scoring offense weren't even read by people commenting in the thread.

You know, it's taken me a few years to get it through my head, but I finally think I've got it. Don't bother with reason here or supporting any kind of argument, just scream a lot and blame Snyder, the coach, or the QB.

I've edited the original post to be more in keeping with the typical WP thread. Carry on.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:19 PM   #26
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Wow, it's like the opponents' passer rating, discussion of playoffs and scoring offense weren't even read by people commenting in the thread.

You know, it's taken me a few years to get it through my head, but I finally think I've got it. Don't bother with reason here or supporting any kind of argument, just scream a lot and blame Snyder, the coach, or the QB.

I've edited the original post to be more in keeping with the typical WP thread. Carry on.
Strikes me as an overreaction. I've read the thread and I don't see much irrationality going on here. Seems like a fairly rational discussion actually.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:23 PM   #27
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I'm not sure you needed to go and edit the original post. I think you made some valid points. But since you did make the edit, this thread serves no further purpose. Locked
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