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Old 10-20-2009, 10:57 AM   #16
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I am convinced that unless and until we get a qualified GM who has the final say on personnel it will just be more of the same around here. Wake me up if and when this ever happens.
That's the true reality of the situation at this point in time. Anything less is just another exercise in futility and pointless speculation.
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:27 AM   #17
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Remember folks -- when the league goes uncapped, there will be fewer FAs, not more. Each team gets an additional tag to hold on to players so they can keep players much easier.
That's what I was saying.
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:30 AM   #18
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While this is true, those who are FAs will have their agents busting down Snyder's door, knowing that the man will show them the money. So while there are less FAs to choose from, if Snyder is still willing to open the checkbook, the cream of the crop so to speak should be here.
That's true but most of those guys will be over-the-hill overpriced plugs. If we don't draft Ts and Gs to go with them, then it will be same as now.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:06 PM   #19
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That's true but most of those guys will be over-the-hill overpriced plugs. If we don't draft Ts and Gs to go with them, then it will be same as now.
They're so many areas that need to be addressed, especially on the O line. We're going to have to look at the FA market in addition to the draft. The major problem with the FO (and we all know this) is that they scout FA names rather than talent. Our next FA pick ups have to be young up and coming players. I would be shocked if the Redskins FO actually scouted though. We'll probably end up with Brandon Marshall or worse, T.O.!
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They're so many areas that need to be addressed, especially on the O line. We're going to have to look at the FA market in addition to the draft. The major problem with the FO (and we all know this) is that they scout FA names rather than talent. Our next FA pick ups have to be young up and coming players. I would be shocked if the Redskins FO actually scouted though. We'll probably end up with Brandon Marshall or worse, T.O.!
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Old 10-20-2009, 02:01 PM   #21
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Well, assuming we finish out of the top 8 teams, which seems to be a virtual certainty at this point, rebuilding an entire unit will be quite easy.

You can move everyone on offense out except the bare bones and building blocks. You can cut bait with Thomas and/or Kelly, Moss, Yoder, Sellers, Betts, Rabach, Samuels, Thomas, Collins, etc, and go bargain basement on a lot of free agents who will be available, and get the depth issue correct from the start.

For the record, we would be signing:

2 quarterbacks
1 running back
1 fullback
2 wide receivers
1 tight end
2 offensive tackles
1 offensive guard
1 center

and probably not breaking the bank for any one player.

And the product wouldn't be very good to begin with. But you could improve it through the draft over time. And no more of the current BS.
Wow your butchering the offense similar to what I would do. Some of the players you mentioned I would keep though to see if new coaching would benifit them.

The keepers: Offense-
RB-Mason, Alridge. Pick up 1 more in FA or Draft. maybe a FB for power.
FB-Eddie Williams. Pick up in FA or Draft.
TE-Cooley, Davis.
WR-Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell.
OL-W.Montgomery, Rinehart and R.Williams I would make Guards. E.Williams I would keep at center for developement. I'd draft a LT and a RT and bring in a bunch of UFA's.
QB-See if Colt fits whatever scheme we are running if not cut. See what Woodson has to offer. Cut Collins. Most likely JC is pissed at how he has been handled this last yr so I imagine he's going elsewhere, plus I doubt he would take a pay cut and be a back up.

Defense-
S-Doughty, Horton, Landry, Moore, Holmes.
CB-Hall, Barnes, Tryon, Westbrook. Rogers most likely will think he's a #1 shut down corner and will want more money, but needs to be a nickle(he's a carbon copy of Smoot). Pick up another shut down CB either FA or Draft. cut the rest.
LB-Blades, Henson, McIntosh, Bowen. Cut the rest and bring in UFA's.
DE-Jarmon, Orakpo, Wilson, Jackson, Skolnitsky. Look for a couple of UFA's.
DT-Alexander, Golston, Haynesworth. pick up a couple in FA or Draft.

My plan is based off of shedding the dead wood and bringing in younger faster healthier players. There would be a lot of spots to fill but trying to get a bunch of young guys to build cohesiveness in the trenches and play like a team for yrs to come.
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Old 10-20-2009, 07:26 PM   #22
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New rule, Sign no free agents over the age of 27.
I don't think there will be a single free agent next year under the age of 28. I think at this point, free agent implies veteran.

It's the 5th year guys who are hella expensive anyway.
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Old 10-20-2009, 07:28 PM   #23
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I like the assertion that Rogers = Smoot. Next week, DeAngelo Hall/Mark Carrier comparisons!
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We're moving Hall to safety? Or do you mean that his career dies here.. or what? I'm out of it right now
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Remember folks -- when the league goes uncapped, there will be fewer FAs, not more. Each team gets an additional tag to hold on to players so they can keep players much easier.
Also in an uncapped 2010 Rogers and Campbell are not unrestricted free agents.
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:59 AM   #26
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Wow your butchering the offense similar to what I would do. Some of the players you mentioned I would keep though to see if new coaching would benifit them.

The keepers: Offense-
RB-Mason, Alridge. Pick up 1 more in FA or Draft. maybe a FB for power.
FB-Eddie Williams. Pick up in FA or Draft.
TE-Cooley, Davis.
WR-Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell.
OL-W.Montgomery, Rinehart and R.Williams I would make Guards. E.Williams I would keep at center for developement. I'd draft a LT and a RT and bring in a bunch of UFA's.
QB-See if Colt fits whatever scheme we are running if not cut. See what Woodson has to offer. Cut Collins. Most likely JC is pissed at how he has been handled this last yr so I imagine he's going elsewhere, plus I doubt he would take a pay cut and be a back up.

Defense-
S-Doughty, Horton, Landry, Moore, Holmes.
CB-Hall, Barnes, Tryon, Westbrook. Rogers most likely will think he's a #1 shut down corner and will want more money, but needs to be a nickle(he's a carbon copy of Smoot). Pick up another shut down CB either FA or Draft. cut the rest.
LB-Blades, Henson, McIntosh, Bowen. Cut the rest and bring in UFA's.
DE-Jarmon, Orakpo, Wilson, Jackson, Skolnitsky. Look for a couple of UFA's.
DT-Alexander, Golston, Haynesworth. pick up a couple in FA or Draft.

My plan is based off of shedding the dead wood and bringing in younger faster healthier players. There would be a lot of spots to fill but trying to get a bunch of young guys to build cohesiveness in the trenches and play like a team for yrs to come.
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Old 10-21-2009, 01:52 PM   #27
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Re: Another way to look at it...

How about this way of looking at it:

Things won't get better until the Redskins have at least two solid drafts and build depth on both offensive and defensive lines. Let's accept that it would be preferable to unload as many high-salary players as possible now, load up on draft picks, and endure a couple of 4-12 seasons, rather than attempt another round of free-agent pickups in an effort to patch the unpatchable.

Of course, Danny is incapable of keeping his incompetent hands off draft and trade decisions, so draft-based growth is just a pipe dream.
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:11 PM   #28
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What does the d-line need?

Load up on OL, the d-line is fine.
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