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Old 10-22-2009, 10:26 PM   #151
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SportsCurmudgeon is the guy with the info, he broke this
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:55 PM   #152
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He's got plenty of connections. More importantly he knows people that have connections. Basically, if you have connections inside one organization you have connections with others within the NFL as well.

Either way, the more I hear the more it seems this could really happen but it's not going to be like Parcells necessarily. Gibbs would be like Magic Johnson with the Lakers, have a big time title and be the owner's consigliere if you will. But he would bring in the GM and let that GM run things
I'd go for that.
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:56 PM   #153
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SmootSmack - - et. al:

Here is what I KNOW at the moment:

1. The "sticking point" that disappeared is somehow related to Gibbs' demands relative to the time he wopuld have to spend with his family - - particularly his grandchild who is suffering from leukemia. I do NOT know any details. All I know is that Joe Gibbs is at a place in his life where he is NOT going to work 100 hours a week at any job - - as he did as coach of the Redskins - - because it conflicts with family "stuff" that is more important to him now than football is important to him.

2. From the Skins' side of the table, they want this to happen yesterday; meanwhile, Gibbs is not highly motivated to step into the middle of a season that is circling the drain because he knows that he will be viewed by the media and the fans as a "savior" and he knows that saving the 2009 season is a long, long shot at best.


Here is what I SURMISE/SUSPECT:


1. There is BIG TIME money attached to this employment offer. There is so much money attached that anyone would be a fool to kick it to the curb without giving it careful consideration.

2. Danny Boy is getting close to "desperate". He sees/hears/reads about fan disaffection and it is starting to get through to him that the majority of folks think now that HE is the bad guy in all of this. The "buffer-zone" of yes-men and ass-kissers around him can no longer keep out the reality of the dislike that exists for him outside the organization. Even a couple of the "iconic true-blue Redskins" of previous years have started to distance themselves from him. I have another "source" who tells me that ONE of the Redskins' heroes of the 80s will not return Danny Boy's calls anymore. Obviously, I don't KNOW if that is true, but just think about that possibility for a moment. And think of what that means to Danny Boy in terms of his image and stature in the public eye and in the league if that "iconic true-Redskin" ever went public with bad info on Danny Boy...

3. I SUSPECT that Gibbs - - having lived through the Redskins' managment structure of the last couple of years and found it wanting - - will DEMAND in writing certain changes about how things get done and who makes the decisions about what needs to get done. My GUESS is that this is a "sticking point".


Finally, Doug Williams may be a great GM-in waiting - - or he could be the African-American version of Matt Millen. I have no idea where he falls on that spectrum. But if the Skins elevate him to that post, he damned well better be VERY good...
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Old 10-22-2009, 11:01 PM   #154
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If he were to get the job, I hope that they get rid of Cerrato. I do not want to hear that any personnel decisions were "a Redskins decision". He would probably do well, but who knows? I thought we would have done better when he was coaching than just being the 6th seed every other year.
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:58 AM   #155
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SmootSmack - - et. al:

Here is what I KNOW at the moment:

1. The "sticking point" that disappeared is somehow related to Gibbs' demands relative to the time he wopuld have to spend with his family - - particularly his grandchild who is suffering from leukemia. I do NOT know any details. All I know is that Joe Gibbs is at a place in his life where he is NOT going to work 100 hours a week at any job - - as he did as coach of the Redskins - - because it conflicts with family "stuff" that is more important to him now than football is important to him.
Heard basically the same thing, not that it disappeared but that family time is a crucial factor.

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2. From the Skins' side of the table, they want this to happen yesterday; meanwhile, Gibbs is not highly motivated to step into the middle of a season that is circling the drain because he knows that he will be viewed by the media and the fans as a "savior" and he knows that saving the 2009 season is a long, long shot at best.
Didn't realize it was that soon


Here is what I SURMISE/SUSPECT:


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1. There is BIG TIME money attached to this employment offer. There is so much money attached that anyone would be a fool to kick it to the curb without giving it careful consideration.
Part ownership as well I believe

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2. Danny Boy is getting close to "desperate". He sees/hears/reads about fan disaffection and it is starting to get through to him that the majority of folks think now that HE is the bad guy in all of this. The "buffer-zone" of yes-men and ass-kissers around him can no longer keep out the reality of the dislike that exists for him outside the organization. Even a couple of the "iconic true-blue Redskins" of previous years have started to distance themselves from him. I have another "source" who tells me that ONE of the Redskins' heroes of the 80s will not return Danny Boy's calls anymore. Obviously, I don't KNOW if that is true, but just think about that possibility for a moment. And think of what that means to Danny Boy in terms of his image and stature in the public eye and in the league if that "iconic true-Redskin" ever went public with bad info on Danny Boy...
Gotta assume it's Riggins

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Finally, Doug Williams may be a great GM-in waiting - - or he could be the African-American version of Matt Millen. I have no idea where he falls on that spectrum. But if the Skins elevate him to that post, he damned well better be VERY good...
Difference is Millen never worked his way through the front office. He was just handed the CEO role with Detroit with no prior experience
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Old 10-23-2009, 12:21 PM   #156
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Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back

Isn't it just like the Redskins to build all this drama for the off-season again..LOL! I remember us back in the summer waiting impatiently for the season to start, and now almost halfway through, we're impatiently waiting for the off-season party to begin! Maybe Dan Snyder should open a new lottery website where people can place bets on who the mystery "savior" will be next year and the winner wins season tickets or something (not sure who would be coming out ahead in that!)
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Old 10-23-2009, 12:28 PM   #157
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Personally I don't believe Gibbs will come back. Maybe they'll make him a part-owner or something. But, I think at the end of the day Gibbs will realize (or someone will make him realize) that he's got too much on his plate and he's not the type to "half-ass" anything
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Old 10-23-2009, 12:34 PM   #158
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Personally I don't believe Gibbs will come back. Maybe they'll make him a part-owner or something. But, I think at the end of the day Gibbs will realize (or someone will make him realize) that he's got too much on his plate and he's not the type to "half-ass" anything
One thing about Joe Gibbs is that he is not going to do just enough. If he doesn't think he can put his whole heart and effort into something, then he is not going to do it. I kind of have my doubts about it as well, although he does appear to have a kinship and passion for the Redskins. So, who knows? Maybe he comes in just long enough to hire a respectable GM and Coach and leaves again. Or maybe he comes in to just be a "public relations" type of guy.

At this point, I just want a change for the better.
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Old 10-23-2009, 12:35 PM   #159
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His only bad small picks were Desmond Howard and Randel El. Gary Clark, Charlie Brown, Ricky Sanders, and Santana Moss were brilliant acquisitions - wouldn't you agree?
You have to add all of his FA acquisitions too not just Moss. Davis Patten, Brandon Lloyd, and Antwan Randel El. I would throw Thrash in there as well, but he was an Undrafted FA by the Skins under Turner. But wait we did send a 5th round pick to the Eagles to get him back. That 5th round pick became DE Trent Cole. We got hosed on that deal.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:25 PM   #160
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If Gibbs can basically become President Emeritus and be given the opportunity to hire our next GM it HAS TO BE BETTER than DS hiring the guy. Despite his unending efforts deserving of praise and willingness to spend money DS just doesn't make good football decisions. At least he hasn't. Gibbs on the other hand, does. In fact his greatest strength actually might be identifying quality football people.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:43 PM   #161
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Personally I don't believe Gibbs will come back. Maybe they'll make him a part-owner or something. But, I think at the end of the day Gibbs will realize (or someone will make him realize) that he's got too much on his plate and he's not the type to "half-ass" anything
Besides family what else is on his plate? Racing went on without him for 4 years and I'm pretty sure that all he does now days are PR type stuff.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:55 PM   #162
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Gibbs loves the Redskins.

Snyder idolizes Gibbs.

Gibbs demands a Parcells type role with the Redskins.

5 years time we will be back at the top, but it will be long and painful but still not as painful as it is now.

Can we as fans wait that long or will Generation ADD demand instant wins?

Be good to see Gregg Williams come back as HC.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:09 PM   #163
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Besides family what else is on his plate? Racing went on without him for 4 years and I'm pretty sure that all he does now days are PR type stuff.
Well family is a big thing. And he split time between NASCAR and the Redskins, during those four years. It's not like he completely abandoned NASCAR. And it's not just PR stuff. As owner of a Sprint Cup Series and a Nationwide team (not to mention his oversight of Coy's motocross team), that's 500 plus people he's overseeing but more importantly he's responsible for managing and renewing sponsorships (which is a major deal in racing), as well as dealing with some driver contracts that are coming up. Plus he owns and manages some indoor race tracks, and has his Game Plan for Life book/website/"ministry" and the Youth for Tomorrow center (which I don't think takes up a large chunk of his time)

But anyhow, he's got a lot to do. Fortunately for him, most of what he does is based in NC and his family is there with him so that makes it easier than say flying back and forth to DC
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:53 PM   #164
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Well family is a big thing.
I haven't followed Gibbs since he left other than to hear about his book. Do you know how his grandson is doing? I would imagine that is a huge factor for him.
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Old 10-23-2009, 03:18 PM   #165
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Dan Snyder: Please Don't Bring Back Joe Gibbs

The minute Joe Gibbs decides to return to Redskins Park there will be a presser about the presser; an annoucement about the annoucement. Dan Snyder will then craft same weird, pseudo "president/executive" title for Joe Gibbs that gives the impression that Gibbs is fully vested, but not too involved. Standing side by side at the podium, Gibbs and Snyder tell the press that Gibbs' role will be the architect orchestrating everything from the background, yet delegating to his hand picked head coach and newly minted GM. Following the presser every Redskin interview will be consumed with what they think about the legendary Joe Gibbs coming back to the franchise that is now --and finally -- moving in the right direction. The players follow the script, toe the company line, and are effusive with praise about the entire move. Then we all live happily ever after.

I hate to be Debbie Downer, I really do, but the more I think about Joe Gibbs coming back, in any capacity, the more I don't like it and I'm against it happening. First of all, if Gibbs' family is his priority then, with all due respect, he shouldn't come back to football. Isn't that why he retired the first and second time around? My fundamental question is, and what every Redskin fan should be asking, has that reason changed now that the Redskins are sinking - once again? I'm simply tired of a bunch of off season hype, recycled bodies and ideas, and half-assed results or better yet, no results at all.

For nearly a decade Dan Snyder has been successful at prying away just about every big name and no name free agent, and several coaches to come to Washington. There's no doubt he's a very savvy and results oriented business man. But somewhere in the NFL, right now, there's an active head coach and GM combo that have been laboring in the shadows for years. Now Mr. Snyder needs to go out and find the next Joe Gibbs; find the next Bobby Beathard!

To me this is nothing more than Danny's version of Jerry Jones building that huge complex down in Texas. Great for PR and revenue, but little has changed on the field. We as fans are tired of big flashy titles and the ghosts of past Super Bowls lurking around this franchise. I wish Dan Snyder would tend to his business and let Joe Gibbs tend to his.
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