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Old 10-23-2009, 03:21 PM   #166
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Re: Dan Snyder: Please Don't Bring Back Joe Gibbs

I really don't understand what's to hate about him coming back in a limited role, nor do I understand why this couldn't have been posted in the other Gibbs thread.
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Old 10-23-2009, 03:22 PM   #167
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I haven't followed Gibbs since he left other than to hear about his book. Do you know how his grandson is doing? I would imagine that is a huge factor for him.
I haven't really inquired lately. I could ask I guess
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Old 10-23-2009, 03:25 PM   #168
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The minute Joe Gibbs decides to return to Redskins Park there will be a presser about the presser; an annoucement about the annoucement. Dan Snyder will then craft same weird, pseudo "president/executive" title for Joe Gibbs that gives the impression that Gibbs is fully vested, but not too involved. Standing side by side at the podium, Gibbs and Snyder tell the press that Gibbs' role will be the architect orchestrating everything from the background, yet delegating to his hand picked head coach and newly minted GM. Following the presser every Redskin interview will be consumed with what they think about the legendary Joe Gibbs coming back to the franchise that is now --and finally -- moving in the right direction. The players follow the script, toe the company line, and are effusive with praise about the entire move. Then we all live happily ever after.

I hate to be Debbie Downer, I really do, but the more I think about Joe Gibbs coming back, in any capacity, the more I don't like it and I'm against it happening. First of all, if Gibbs' family is his priority then, with all due respect, he shouldn't come back to football. Isn't that why he retired the first and second time around? My fundamental question is, and what every Redskin fan should be asking, has that reason changed now that the Redskins are sinking - once again? I'm simply tired of a bunch of off season hype, recycled bodies and ideas, and half-assed results or better yet, no results at all.

For nearly a decade Dan Snyder has been successful at prying away just about every big name and no name free agent, and several coaches to come to Washington. There's no doubt he's a very savvy and results oriented business man. But somewhere in the NFL, right now, there's an active head coach and GM combo that have been laboring in the shadows for years. Now Mr. Snyder needs to go out and find the next Joe Gibbs; find the next Bobby Beathard!

To me this is nothing more than Danny's version of Jerry Jones building that huge complex down in Texas. Great for PR and revenue, but little has changed on the field. We as fans are tired of big flashy titles and the ghosts of past Super Bowls lurking around this franchise. I wish Dan Snyder would tend to his business and let Joe Gibbs tend to his.
A couple of questions

1. What's wrong with enlisting Gibbs to help him find the next Beathard and the next Gibbs?

2. Given the choices who would you most trust (least not trust?) to head up our football operations-Gibbs, Cerrato, or Shanahan?
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Old 10-23-2009, 03:30 PM   #169
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Say what you want about Gibbs. It was he who decided to draft Sean Taylor when the entire world was telling him to draft Winslow. The only questionable pick was Jason Campbell. Also, he did a great job drafting Cooley in the second round too. I'm sure these points have been raised already. But I didn't read all 11 pages, so excuse the redundancy.

Gibbs also drafted JC and threw away multiple picks to do so. It's only fair to mention those as well. We could go on and on. CP was in his ear about ST.
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Old 10-23-2009, 03:36 PM   #170
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A couple of questions

1. What's wrong with enlisting Gibbs to help him find the next Beathard and the next Gibbs?

2. Given the choices who would you most trust (least not trust?) to head up our football operations-Gibbs, Cerrato, or Shanahan?

I asked the same question to him and he said Cerrato. I'm sure he's alone in those thoughts.
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Old 10-23-2009, 03:38 PM   #171
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Gibbs also drafted JC and threw away multiple picks to do so. It's only fair to mention those as well. We could go on and on. CP was in his ear about ST.

Yeah but what would be the point since Gibbs wouldn't be the one in charge of player personnel anyway?
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Old 10-23-2009, 03:38 PM   #172
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A couple of questions

1. What's wrong with enlisting Gibbs to help him find the next Beathard and the next Gibbs?

2. Given the choices who would you most trust (least not trust?) to head up our football operations-Gibbs, Cerrato, or Shanahan?
1. Why didn't he do it when he was here during his second stint? He was here four years. He had ample time to either pluck his successor from the ranks or drop some reliable names on Danny. Neither happened. If they didn't deem it important then, what has changed now?

2. I gotta tell you, and this shocks me that I'm even saying this, but Cerrato. I think when you look at the players that Gibbs selected and the ones that Vinny drafted, I really think it's pretty close. I'm talking purely from a talent evaluation standpoint. So then you have to look at the intangibles. Obvisouly Gibbs brings much more to the table in that department. But since he'll supposedly be playing a limited role, how much will his influence actually impact what goes on in the lockerroom or the football field? I fear not very much. Gibbs' influence is best felt and demonstrated up close and personal. That's his magic. Always has been, always will be. He took that same magic to NASCAR and made it work.

Shanahan? Eh, I'm totally indifferent to him one way or another. Take him or leave him.
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It's the best we can do if you really think about it. Joe Gibbs is the only person on Earth that DS will allow to run the organization. Anyone else will result in being his puppet.
BINGO!!!! And nobody with a good reputation in the NFL is going to want to come to Washington and put up with that unless they are desperate for work.
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Old 10-23-2009, 03:41 PM   #174
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BINGO!!!! And nobody with a good reputation in the NFL is going to want to come to Washington and put up with that unless they are desperate for work.
I think you guys are being very presumptous that "no one" will come here. I wouldn't be so quick to think that. Snyder has brought a lot of "no ones" here.
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1. Why didn't he do it when he was here during his second stint? He was here four years. He had ample time to either pluck his successor from the ranks or drop some reliable names on Danny. Neither happened. If they didn't deem it important then, what has changed now?

2. I gotta tell you, and this shocks me that I'm even saying this, but Cerrato. I think when you look at the players that Gibbs selected and the ones that Vinny drafted, I really think it's pretty close. I'm talking purely from a talent evaluation standpoint. So then you have to look at the intangibles. Obvisouly Gibbs brings much more to the table in that department. But since he'll supposedly be playing a limited role, how much will his influence actually impact what goes on in the lockerroom or the football field? I fear not very much. Gibbs' influence is best felt and demonstrated up close and personal. That's his magic. Always has been, always will be. He took that same magic to NASCAR and made it work.

Shanahan? Eh, I'm totally indifferent to him one way or another. Take him or leave him.

Honestly it really shouldn't matter. We would hope whoever Gibbs would choose as GM and coach would have the full influence with what happens on the football field and the locker room.
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I keep hearing Doug Williams name in posts. He's been a personel exec at TB since 2004. What exactly are his qualifications? TB hasn't been very good for awhile now. I don't recall their drafts being that great. What's so special about Doug Williams? Is it just the name?

He's drafted Gaines Adams, Talib (good pick), Josh Freeman-the jury is still out in the last few years.

We've all talked about not bringing in someone just b/c he's got a name. Seems like they are younger and more talented guys out there. Thoughts.
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I think you guys are being very presumptous that "no one" will come here. I wouldn't be so quick to think that. Snyder has brought a lot of "no ones" here.
Like who? A college coach that had no business in the NFL? A QB coach that was put in over his head? The only two reliable moves Snyder has made was hiring Schotty and Gibbs, and he fired Marty and Gibbs retired. I haven't seen anything much from Vinny that tells me he needs to stay in Washington.
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Honestly it really shouldn't matter. We would hope whoever Gibbs would choose as GM and coach would have the full influence with what happens on the football field and the locker room.

So wait a minute, it seems to me the crux of this argument is that Gibbs will somehow lure a coach and GM here that Snyder can't? Yet Snyder is still owner, has final say, and signs the paychecks? Huh?

This makes absolutely no sense to me. None.
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I keep hearing Doug Williams name in posts. He's been a personel exec at TB since 2004. What exactly are his qualifications? TB hasn't been very good for awhile now. I don't recall their drafts being that great. What's so special about Doug Williams? Is it just the name?

He's drafted Gaines Adams, Talib (good pick), Josh Freeman-the jury is still out in the last few years.

We've all talked about not bringing in someone just b/c he's got a name. Seems like they are younger and more talented guys out there. Thoughts.
I agree with you. I, unfortunately don't know enough about up and coming GMs in the NFL to know who else would be the better choice. I definitely would hope for a younger Bobby Beathard type though.
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I agree with you. I, unfortunately don't know enough about up and coming GMs in the NFL to know who else would be the better choice. I definitely would hope for a younger Bobby Beathard type though.
Eric DeCosta or Brian Gaines are your young Beathards.
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