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Old 10-29-2009, 02:28 PM   #196
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What exactly is the cause? Is it to get Dan to sell the team; or is the subtext that we just want our other demands met, i.e. fire Vinny Cerrato?

If you or any of us think for one second that a man is going to sell one of the most profitable organizations on earth, then we have lost our stinkin minds. No matter how much we bitch, moan, or put billboard signs up he is not ever actually going to sell the team.

Now if we believe that we can be negotiated with and we are just setting the bar high by saying "Danny, we want you to sell the team" when we are actually hoping for the counter offer "Hey fans, how about I fire Vinny and hire a new team president and a GM", then it becomes a realistic battle and one worth fighting.

Throwing money at a cause with impossible demands is like throwing money into a fire. You will never get a penny of it back. It is just a bad investment.
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:30 PM   #197
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

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If DS were "evil" that might apply. It certainly is a great quote. In this case DS is simply misguided/moronic rather than evil incarnate. My case has not been to put down the efforts these guys are making, but asking if the actions will produce the actions they, and we, want to see. I say they won't, not only that, they will foster more bad behavior by DS.

To match your quote with another equally qualified quote:
"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions"

I would hope that if they do raise the $8000 they would take a minute and reflect on the outcome they want and see what actions they could do that would possibly sway the momentum in that direction, rather than blindly say this is what we are doing. Isn't that the same philosophy as DS? I said it, I'm doing it, results be damned.

mImpetert gets a lot of credit for taking this on, and I hope that it will be something he will remember positively for the rest of his life. Kudos to him and his team for that. I just hope the results, intended and unintended, don't end up hurting the Skins in DC.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:07 PM   #198
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What exactly is the cause? Is it to get Dan to sell the team; or is the subtext that we just want our other demands met, i.e. fire Vinny Cerrato?

If you or any of us think for one second that a man is going to sell one of the most profitable organizations on earth, then we have lost our stinkin minds. No matter how much we bitch, moan, or put billboard signs up he is not ever actually going to sell the team.

Now if we believe that we can be negotiated with and we are just setting the bar high by saying "Danny, we want you to sell the team" when we are actually hoping for the counter offer "Hey fans, how about I fire Vinny and hire a new team president and a GM", then it becomes a realistic battle and one worth fighting.

Throwing money at a cause with impossible demands is like throwing money into a fire. You will never get a penny of it back. It is just a bad investment.
again obviously he isn't goin to sell the team anytime soon, but maybe if this gets big enough and happens somthing might finally click in his head and say wow i guess the fans really do hate me and change his ways. and it isn't just throwing money away and you will never get it back if you took the time to visit the website instead of iggnorantly bashing it you would realize that if we do not reach our goal everyone gets there money back. and he does only own 51 % and some of the minortiy owners could buy him out if it comes to a point of public emmbarassment, as profitable as the redskins are i'm pretty sure fed ex is worth just a little bit more
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:25 PM   #199
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1. Again, the name of your campaign is "Sell OUR Team Danny Boy" not "Change YOUR ways Danny Boy".

2. If you do reach your goal and you buy your add and Danny does not sell the team you have failed and essentially have wasted everyones money.

3. He owns 51%, he cannot be bought out unles he sells it. There is only a total of 49% that can be acquired through his partners.

4. The NFL owners have to approve the sale of an NFL franchise to a new majority owner. Danny is so bad that they will never let him sell. It's one less team to worry about making the post season. (That was a funny)

5. The last time that I ignorantly bashed anyone was when I was ignorant so it doesn't count.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:39 PM   #200
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again obviously he isn't goin to sell the team anytime soon, but maybe if this gets big enough and happens somthing might finally click in his head and say wow i guess the fans really do hate me and change his ways. and it isn't just throwing money away and you will never get it back if you took the time to visit the website instead of iggnorantly bashing it you would realize that if we do not reach our goal everyone gets there money back. and he does only own 51 % and some of the minortiy owners could buy him out if it comes to a point of public emmbarassment, as profitable as the redskins are i'm pretty sure fed ex is worth just a little bit more
1. There is a paradox in your bolded quotes: is there a chance that he will sell his interest in the team soon or not?

2. How do you know that a current minority partner would be better as majority owner?

3. If your true message is "Change the team," not "Sell the team," then why don't you say that? When dealing with the arrogant, the last thing that you want to do is peddle unclarity.
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1)He said he is gonna refund if he doesnt reach his goal.

2)Although it isnt perfect, I still think it gets media attention, hopefully national at one point. This will put more pressure on dan than he has now.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:55 PM   #202
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1)He said he is gonna refund if he doesnt reach his goal.

2)Although it isnt perfect, I still think it gets media attention, hopefully national at one point. This will put more pressure on dan than he has now.
I think they're arguing what will happen if they get the ads on the buses and then Dan continues to run the team into the ground/doesn't end up changing or doing anything differently.

My counter argument to that would be... Don't donate then. Everyone knows the risks of putting their money towards the cause. If you don't believe in it, keep your money.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:00 PM   #203
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Hoo, I read that part about the refund.

Don't you think Mr. Snyder heard or at least heard about the "Sell the team" chants at the stadium when they played the Chiefs? I understand wanting to promote change, but if that's what their goal is, then just say that. This is almost as bad as the Vikings calling an artic tundra "Greenland".
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:04 PM   #204
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I think sell the team sends the message more clearly. I don't think this is about getting Snyder to literally sell the team, as much as airing out a real sentiment that exists amongst the fans.

This message communicates more bluntly the collective and utter disgust with the direction of this franchise under Snyder's ownership. What other way to cut to the chase about how you feel about Snyder?

So while I'm neither pro or con this project, I think sell the team conveys the real message.

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Old 10-29-2009, 07:11 PM   #205
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Everybody speaks in subtext these days.

Hey 12th...I love you man, and I say that because the message communicates more bluntly the collective and utter appreciation I have for your thoughtfull posts. What other way to cut to the chase about the way that I feel about your contributions to this forum.

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I think they're arguing what will happen if they get the ads on the buses and then Dan continues to run the team into the ground/doesn't end up changing or doing anything differently.

My counter argument to that would be... Don't donate then. Everyone knows the risks of putting their money towards the cause. If you don't believe in it, keep your money.
not really my argument DR. I argue that the continued and exaggerated alienation of DS by the fan base only leads in one direction, and that is the team moving. Yes DS' moves are moronic, imbecilic etc. but he has final say and that isn't changing. So the most likely result of any anti-DS groundswell is the loss of the very thing all of us want to succeed.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:18 PM   #207
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Everybody speaks in subtext these days.

Hey 12th...I love you man, and I say that because the message communicates more bluntly the collective and utter appreciation I have for your thoughtfull posts. What other way to cut to the chase about the way that I feel about your contributions to this forum.

Don't feel left out Hooskins...I love you too.
LOL! haha...what? Are you drunk, dude?

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Old 10-29-2009, 07:23 PM   #208
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LOL! haha...what? Are you drunk, dude?

Man, don't use the L word unless we're in the drunk thread
Not even close. I am in the middle of interviewing for an open position and until I get somebody hired I have to pull some additional hours. So the short answer is that, I am still at work.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:28 PM   #209
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not really my argument DR. I argue that the continued and exaggerated alienation of DS by the fan base only leads in one direction, and that is the team moving. Yes DS' moves are moronic, imbecilic etc. but he has final say and that isn't changing. So the most likely result of any anti-DS groundswell is the loss of the very thing all of us want to succeed.
I think you are correct. When fans demand that the team be sold, likely DS will just be driven more deeply into a bunker mentality. And, from this position, he is far more likely to move the team than to sell it.

I'm sorry but I think the "Sell our team" campaign is, in the long term, counterproductive and perhaps disastrous.

"Change the team" is a much better message and is one that I would support.
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I think sell the team sends the message more clearly. I don't think this is about getting Snyder to literally sell the team, as much as airing out a real sentiment that exists amongst the fans.

This message communicates more bluntly the collective and utter disgust with the direction of this franchise under Snyder's ownership. What other way to cut to the chase about how you feel about Snyder?

So while I'm neither pro or con this project, I think sell the team conveys the real message.
Exactly the way we feel. Thanks for the articulation!
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