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Old 10-26-2009, 02:27 PM   #31
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Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year?

If 2010 is uncapped, any player of value who cannot contribute to the success of this team in 2012 and beyond should be traded in 2010 for draft picks. If Haynesworth continues to play like he has thus far (and yes, he has met, if not exceeded, all reasonable expecations of him), then he's worth at least a 1st rounder in 2010 and in 2011. Assuming we do what we've been needing to do for eyars and enter full-on rebuilding mode, Hayneswoth won't have anything left in the tank by the time we become competitive again. There's absolutely no reason (other than his garaunteed salary) to keep him here when trading him could yield multiple 1st round picks.
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:42 PM   #32
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I think Haynesworth has played fine too. He has done what we wanted, and he has always needed to be subbed out. We just don't have strong enough ends to really make it pay off with sacks. BUT... he is overpriced for what he gives us.
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:46 PM   #33
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I think Haynesworth has played fine too. He has done what we wanted, and he has always needed to be subbed out. We just don't have strong enough ends to really make it pay off with sacks. BUT... he is overpriced for what he gives us.
Isn't Carter second in the NFC with 6 sacks, and doesn't Orakpo have 4?
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:50 PM   #34
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Isn't Carter second in the NFC with 6 sacks, and doesn't Orakpo have 4?
Remember we are also the team that "couldn't get a sack if we worked at Giant." And Hall has how many INTs? Now if the D could get a couple scores, than maybe atleast that side of the ball would not be a laugh!
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:55 PM   #35
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If 2010 is uncapped, any player of value who cannot contribute to the success of this team in 2012 and beyond should be traded in 2010 for draft picks. If Haynesworth continues to play like he has thus far (and yes, he has met, if not exceeded, all reasonable expecations of him), then he's worth at least a 1st rounder in 2010 and in 2011. Assuming we do what we've been needing to do for eyars and enter full-on rebuilding mode, Hayneswoth won't have anything left in the tank by the time we become competitive again. There's absolutely no reason (other than his garaunteed salary) to keep him here when trading him could yield multiple 1st round picks.
I do agree w/ your logic. However, I would doubt that new management would be willing to just concede that the next couple years are years that we are going to be incapable of winning. We'll see. I don't think we'd get 2 1sts for him though. Maybe a first and a middle round. Remember, that a new team would have to pick up the big salary too.

That being said a team rebuilding has to consider everything. We may have a top 5 pick in next years draft. What if we had 2 first rounders and added another 2nd/3rd round pick? So 2 first rounders, 2 seconds or 1 second and 1 third.

That would make for a lot of options, huh? Qb, OL or 2, RB.

Rebuilding is alot easier w/ top picks. Maybe I just talked myself into it.
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Old 10-26-2009, 03:44 PM   #36
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The only thing you really need to advance is the bonus. Otherwise you commit money unnecessarily. If the player just has normal salary, you can always cut them and pay no penalty, so we just would need to advance those bonuses.

My list would be a bit different. I would simply have a short list of keepers and everyone else I won't shed a tear for -- if it meant a real, true, rebuilding team based on youth and draft picks.

Keep:
Offense: Cooley
Defense: Mcintosh, Orakpo, Jarmon, Landry(I still have hope).

That's it.
If I were going to rebuild, those are probably the guys I would keep as well -- although I'm not up to speed on their salaries. It's not about who's good -- it's all about value.

Talent < Salary = poor value
Talent > Salary = good value

Most of our good players are overpaid, and therefore we're getting poor value. When you are getting good value for your dollars, you have room to sign even more quality players. More quality players = more quality depth.

Haynesworth is the perfect example. He's overpaid, but people argue that since he's good it doesn't matter. Well, he can't stay in the game for more than a few consecutive plays, so when he comes out somebody else has to go in. But, we don't have much money to spend on that guy that replaces him, because that money went to Haynesworth. Don't even get me started on injuries.

Snyder seems like a financially savvy guy, so you'd think he'd understand the importance of value. But, it seems what is painfully obvious to the rest of the world is still just a mystery to Snyder.
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Old 10-26-2009, 05:46 PM   #37
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I do agree w/ your logic. However, I would doubt that new management would be willing to just concede that the next couple years are years that we are going to be incapable of winning. We'll see. I don't think we'd get 2 1sts for him though. Maybe a first and a middle round. Remember, that a new team would have to pick up the big salary too.
Well we're also paying like 32 mil out of the 42 or whatever it was guaranteed in the first 13 months of his contract.. so the other team could get him at a "bargain" for the remainder.. I don't know how his optional money would play into a trade though
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Given the amount of guaranteed money left on Portis' deal - and that the team acquiring him in a trade acquires the existing contract - I doubt you'd find any team willing to give the Skins more than a conditional fifth round pick for him.


Add to the burden that his contract brings the diva reputation he has shaped for himself and it might be a conditional sixth round pick is the best offer out there...
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:15 PM   #39
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Given the amount of guaranteed money left on Portis' deal - and that the team acquiring him in a trade acquires the existing contract - I doubt you'd find any team willing to give the Skins more than a conditional fifth round pick for him.


Add to the burden that his contract brings the diva reputation he has shaped for himself and it might be a conditional sixth round pick is the best offer out there...
At least we will get a pick for him.. I mean, we found few good players from late rounds such as Doughty, Horton (granted, vinny had help), Golston, and maybe Mitchell?
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:25 PM   #40
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I can't see anyway they get a pick for portis. No one wants that contract at all let alone trading a draft pick to get it. He is on the downside and he's paid like he is the best RB in the league.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:31 PM   #41
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I like the Haynesworth additioin and I would imagine the likes of Andre Carter are too.

CP is one of my favorites and I have a hard time telling if it is a lack of an O line that has caused him to have a poor season or if he is finally beginning to run out of steam. I think it may be a combination of both. It might be time to start using Alridge and Mason.
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I like the Haynesworth additioin and I would imagine the likes of Andre Carter are too.

CP is one of my favorites and I have a hard time telling if it is a lack of an O line that has caused him to have a poor season or if he is finally beginning to run out of steam. I think it may be a combination of both. It might be time to start using Alridge and Mason.
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Old 10-28-2009, 08:48 AM   #43
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the name of the game for now is multiple draft picks!! Trade all value away for picks (that is, if we still have any). Build the O-Line from scratch,then QB, WR, RB. Will take a few years to do this right.
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