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Old 10-27-2009, 08:41 AM   #16
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Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)

Is it just me notice anytime the Refs throw a flag they some how huddle up and pick the flag up.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:11 AM   #17
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Looked like zone coverage on the TD and Rogers was expecting help over the top. I think Horton blew the coverage myself. Especially given his look after the play.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:14 AM   #18
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I've gotta add Carlos Rodgers to that list. What the hell was he doing on that touchdown pass? He's supposed the "cover" corner and the double move by DeSean absolutely killed him. My bigger problem? There was absolutely no effort on his part after getting torched. No turn and sprint, he just continued to waltz his way in the general direction of the WR who just torched him.
I agree, but I think that Rogers' failures are more indicative of what's wrong with the organization than him forgetting how to cover. Watching him play, it looks like he's already mailed it in for the season. I don't think he wants to be here next season, but half assing it on the field isn't going to make any other teams break the bank for him.

I'd also add Laron Landry to the list. He's been invisible in most games this season(including last night), and I can't think of anything he's done of note, outside of horribly missing open field tackles.

And while Heyer had a bad game, the entire offensive line deserves to be on the list. There is absolutely nothing that they excel at anymore. They cannot block for the pass or the run. I know a lot of people are down on Portis this season, but there were several plays last night where he immediately had two defenders in his face as soon as he was handed the ball. Purple Jesus wouldn't even be effective under those circumstances.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:19 AM   #19
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Looked like zone coverage on the TD and Rogers was expecting help over the top. I think Horton blew the coverage myself. Especially given his look after the play.
I suppose it could have been, I thought he got beat a little further down the field, but it was about 15 yards from the LOS. I still think it was man with safety help. I'm thinking Horton should have been there sooner, but there's no excuse for that kind of coverage. Also, if it were zone, there wouldn't have been much reason for Carlos to continue to follow once the ball went up and Desean was 10 yards behind him. Finally, the Skins only brought 4 on that play which (in most cases) means the D is playing 2 Man Under where it's man with safety help.

I'd have to assume that was the coverage, particularly on a 3rd and 23. The thinking should be, "McNabb can't run for it, why open up holes in a zone? Go man with safety help on each side and give up the underneath if they want it."
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:20 AM   #20
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JC had a bad game. His lineman were horrible too. What more needs to be said?

Our hurry up offense takes WAY too long. There's no sense of urgency. JC has been around too long to be that slow in our hurry up offense.

We have some talented defensive lineman. They are pretty fun to watch.

I'd put Rock Cartright in the offense some how some way. Seems to hit the non-holes hard and runs fast. Why not? Not sure about his blocking though...
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:24 AM   #21
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Something tells me the Bruce Allen era is starting real soon. Will Gruden be far behind? My source still says no go on Gruden. Iím believing that less and less. But anyway, thatís all hearsay and speculation.

Whatís fact is that people need to get smacked. Letís get right to it

Antwaan Randle-El :Benched:

Stephon Heyer :confused:

Casey Rabach :frusty:

Jason Campbell

Well, I think that just about covers it for this week. Please note the Smackdown Shuttle will be on temporary hiatus over the next few weeks. In the meanwhile, keep an eye out for the Bring the Pain PainTrain to come rolling through your warpath neighborhood
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:28 AM   #22
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I agree, but I think that Rogers' failures are more indicative of what's wrong with the organization than him forgetting how to cover. Watching him play, it looks like he's already mailed it in for the season. I don't think he wants to be here next season, but half assing it on the field isn't going to make any other teams break the bank for him.

I'd also add Laron Landry to the list. He's been invisible in most games this season(including last night), and I can't think of anything he's done of note, outside of horribly missing open field tackles.


And while Heyer had a bad game, the entire offensive line deserves to be on the list. There is absolutely nothing that they excel at anymore. They cannot block for the pass or the run. I know a lot of people are down on Portis this season, but there were several plays last night where he immediately had two defenders in his face as soon as he was handed the ball. Purple Jesus wouldn't even be effective under those circumstances.
This. However, I would say that Landry's shortcomings are mutually his and the schemes. It's difficult to be a playmaker from the "angel" position. We all know Sean did it, but Sean was a once-in-a-generation talent and it's difficult to expect that from Landry. Landry is, IMO, at fault because he's an immature player always looking for the kill shot (much the way Sean did before the light went on and he became dominant). I think the Skins should think about moving LL back to strong safety and seeing if Kareem can hack it as the FS (Angel).

As for Rodgers, you can't call out ownership and then show up and play like THAT. I don't like him essentially being wasted by starting him 10-15 yards away from the WRs all the time, but that should have aided in his ability to stay with Desean on that play.

Outside of that play and the end around, I think the D played pretty well, not that it matters.

One final thought: you're 100% correct about the O Line. Heyer is bad at LT and serviceable at RT (I think he'd be a great backup), but the rest of the O Line was absolutely horrendous the entire game as well. There's no way any QB can survive this. It's looking like 2003 when it was open season on Ramsey at this point.
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:10 AM   #23
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On the long TD pass, McNabb throws a pump fake to the right...from which, and we won't know unless we get an overview angle, it's possible that Horton bit on the fake, hence why he wasn't back in deep coverage. CBs don't usually drop receivers like Rogers did unless they are expecting help over top...hopefully GTripp will have more on that play during his analysis of the game.

This OL is atrocious. They are going to get Campbell killed. Then again, they planned protection schemes with Cooley in the game, and while he's not a great blocking TE, Davis is worse. Rabach had several mishaps, including a rally killer inside the 5 on that 4th down.

The analysts mentioned Campbell not setting his feet to throw, and even broke out footage of Gruden's camp kids doing a set drill. I think Campbell's right ankle/foot is worse that they are letting on. Since it's his plant foot, it looks like he's not able to put much pressure on it, and to throw, he's shuffling his feet. He's also playing scared. He's afraid to stand up in the pocket, but who can blame him. The OL is giving him virtually no time to get through his progressions. I'm hoping that the bye week allows him to rest and get back on track, or at least get Collins and Woodson reps with the first team.

Randle El took his eyes off the ball on that punt. Plain and simple. And quite frankly, with Thomas, Kelly, Davis, and Mitchell, he should be on his way out.

ESPN for showing Fletcher puking during their pregame shots. No one needs to see that...
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:36 PM   #24
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Smootsmack:

Might I dare to follow your lead and add to your listing here?


Montgomery:

Rabach:

Rogers:

Horton: :confused:


Sherm Lewis:

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Old 10-28-2009, 01:21 AM   #25
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What was your issue with Lewis?
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Old 10-28-2009, 12:29 PM   #26
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My issue with Lewis is very simple. He should have had a huge advantage in that game because there was no "book" on him calling plays. The Eagles' defensive folks had no tendencies on him; they didn't know if he would pass or throw or quick-kick on any given down. Teams look for the element of surprise in playcalling; Lewis had it in his hip pocket; he did next to nothing with it. He should have had the Eagles' defense in a spot where they needed to cover every angle because they didn't know what he would do next.


Now maybe I was dozing through that part of the game where the Redskins' offense had left the Eagles' defensive players and defensive playcallers bedazzled. If so, tell me when that was so I can go back to my DVR and check the replays...


If the "playcaller" needs to have an intermediate person in the loop to call the pass protection schemes for the plays that the "playcaller" has called, then the only proper word for the "playcaller" is UNPREPARED. Maybe the Skins should hire another consultant to give Sherm Lewis another set of eyes so that the new guy can get to call plays in some future game this year. After all, it worked out so well here.


Have I explained what my issue with Lewis was?
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Old 10-28-2009, 12:34 PM   #27
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Fair points SC. But I think (hope?) we'll see more of Lewis' impact in a couple of weeks. Monday night I think he was just getting a basic sense of what his offense could do.
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smootsmack what is the rumors off a change in our front office? will there be a exstensive search or is bruce allen the front runner?
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:28 PM   #29
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smootsmack what is the rumors off a change in our front office? will there be a exstensive search or is bruce allen the front runner?
Haven't really asked in the last week or so for any update. But I would say Shanahan is still the front runner, Allen #2
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Fair points SC. But I think (hope?) we'll see more of Lewis' impact in a couple of weeks. Monday night I think he was just getting a basic sense of what his offense could do.
Also, he was only with the team for three weeks. I suppose it is an excuse, but I think it's valid.
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