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Old 10-28-2009, 01:56 PM   #31
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Haven't really asked in the last week or so for any update. But I would say Shanahan is still the front runner, Allen #2
Reviewing Tamba Bay's history, Allen did a good job of keeping his picks, but it really doesn't look like he did that good of a job in selecting players. Is there some reason to think he'd to a better job here?

On the flip side, I don't like the idea of giving Shanahan total control, either.
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My issue with Lewis is very simple. He should have had a huge advantage in that game because there was no "book" on him calling plays. The Eagles' defensive folks had no tendencies on him; they didn't know if he would pass or throw or quick-kick on any given down. Teams look for the element of surprise in playcalling; Lewis had it in his hip pocket; he did next to nothing with it. He should have had the Eagles' defense in a spot where they needed to cover every angle because they didn't know what he would do next.


Now maybe I was dozing through that part of the game where the Redskins' offense had left the Eagles' defensive players and defensive playcallers bedazzled. If so, tell me when that was so I can go back to my DVR and check the replays...


If the "playcaller" needs to have an intermediate person in the loop to call the pass protection schemes for the plays that the "playcaller" has called, then the only proper word for the "playcaller" is UNPREPARED. Maybe the Skins should hire another consultant to give Sherm Lewis another set of eyes so that the new guy can get to call plays in some future game this year. After all, it worked out so well here.


Have I explained what my issue with Lewis was?
So you expect 35 points or so out of his first game.. even though it's the same playbook for the most part? That's interesting.. Hell we would've had several more than we did if we didn't whiff so many opportunities. He's just come back into this role and he kept the Eagles on their toes enough. Bedazzled doesn't happen everytime even with the best playcaller vs the worst defense, I think that your expectations are too high.

I understand not liking that Zorn got undermined, but I don't think that the disapproval needs to be directed at Lewis.
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Old 10-28-2009, 03:00 PM   #33
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My issue with Lewis is very simple. He should have had a huge advantage in that game because there was no "book" on him calling plays. The Eagles' defensive folks had no tendencies on him; they didn't know if he would pass or throw or quick-kick on any given down. Teams look for the element of surprise in playcalling; Lewis had it in his hip pocket; he did next to nothing with it. He should have had the Eagles' defense in a spot where they needed to cover every angle because they didn't know what he would do next.


Now maybe I was dozing through that part of the game where the Redskins' offense had left the Eagles' defensive players and defensive playcallers bedazzled. If so, tell me when that was so I can go back to my DVR and check the replays...


If the "playcaller" needs to have an intermediate person in the loop to call the pass protection schemes for the plays that the "playcaller" has called, then the only proper word for the "playcaller" is UNPREPARED. Maybe the Skins should hire another consultant to give Sherm Lewis another set of eyes so that the new guy can get to call plays in some future game this year. After all, it worked out so well here.


Have I explained what my issue with Lewis was?
Maybe you are right, although I think (more of being hopeful, I guess) Lewis has shown us that scoring in redzone won't be much of problem for us anymore.. Thomas was beautifully open for his 1st touchdown.. At last drive where Rabach botched the snap, Thomas was open as well (granted it was same play but it proved to be right call)..

Zorn, or Smith and Lewis, or ANY offense coordinator can't really call their gameplan if the offense linemen are playing terrible.. We can't run and we can't pass.. How in the world would any offense coordinator be able to success if both aren't working?
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Old 10-28-2009, 03:04 PM   #34
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Reviewing Tamba Bay's history, Allen did a good job of keeping his picks, but it really doesn't look like he did that good of a job in selecting players. Is there some reason to think he'd to a better job here?

On the flip side, I don't like the idea of giving Shanahan total control, either.
I don't know that Allen would do a great job here. Just saying I think he's probably a strong candidate to come here. He and Snyder are pretty tight...which is probably the last thing we need. I could even see potentially see Allen being named President and someone else being a GM under him.
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I don't know that Allen would do a great job here. Just saying I think he's probably a strong candidate to come here. He and Snyder are pretty tight...which is probably the last thing we need. I could even see potentially see Allen being named President and someone else being a GM under him.
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wow! this offseason is going to be more interesting than the season!

Generally that is the case with Redskins football under Synder.
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Old 10-28-2009, 03:52 PM   #37
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I don't know that Allen would do a great job here. Just saying I think he's probably a strong candidate to come here. He and Snyder are pretty tight...which is probably the last thing we need. I could even see potentially see Allen being named President and someone else being a GM under him.
Now that would be interesting... but would Allen even want that kind of job or would he want to be more involved in player selection? The one thing I don't want is a Coach/GM. Now, I don't have your sources, but one would think that all the big name coaches out there (Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, Holmgren) recognize the value of having a GM. I think what they would want is to be hired as HC and then selecting the guy they wanted to be GM (Cowher might want to bring in marty, Gruden might want to bring in Allen, etc.) To a large degree, i see 2010 as being a "coaches market." There are A LOT of teams who may be competing for one of "The Big 4" and the Big 4 coachs have such strong resumes that should have no problem finding a team/owner that will allow them to dictate the front front-office structure, not the other way around.
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Old 10-29-2009, 11:09 AM   #38
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Now that would be interesting... but would Allen even want that kind of job or would he want to be more involved in player selection? The one thing I don't want is a Coach/GM. Now, I don't have your sources, but one would think that all the big name coaches out there (Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, Holmgren) recognize the value of having a GM. I think what they would want is to be hired as HC and then selecting the guy they wanted to be GM (Cowher might want to bring in marty, Gruden might want to bring in Allen, etc.) To a large degree, i see 2010 as being a "coaches market." There are A LOT of teams who may be competing for one of "The Big 4" and the Big 4 coachs have such strong resumes that should have no problem finding a team/owner that will allow them to dictate the front front-office structure, not the other way around.
Well Shanahan and probably Holmgren would want to be their own GMs. Cowher I think is less than 50% likely to even return to the NFL next season, that's just my gut feeling though.

I had heard that Gruden and Allen had issues with each other during their time in Tampa and would go their separate ways if/when they returned to the NFL. But seeing how up close how they interact they really seem like the perfect team. Not meaning the perfect team for the Redskins necessarily.

Anyhow, as for Allen I think even in a President role he would still have some input over the player selection. But we could also see Allen as General Manager and Gruden as head coach but it would be like Philly where Reid is the HC, and Tom Heckert is the GM but in reality Reid is the one selecting the players. Heckert just manages the process

Allen makes sense for the fans because

1. He has front office experience
2. He has a link, albeit tangentially, to the Redskins through his dad
3. He's not Vinny

Allen makes sense for Snyder because

1. He has front office experience
2. He has a link, albeit tangentially, to the Redskins through his dad
3. He and Snyder are pretty tight and Snyder could still be involved in the whole process
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:33 PM   #39
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If Snyder is involved in the process in any capacity other than signing checks, then it defeats the whole purpose of getting a GM and we might as well stick with vinny.
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If Snyder is involved in the process in any capacity other than signing checks, then it defeats the whole purpose of getting a GM and we might as well stick with vinny.
No way. I might as well switch teams.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:50 PM   #42
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My personal impression on the blown coverage was that Rogers and Horton were not clear on what the coverage was. Well, more specifically, they were both clear on what the coverage was, and that neither was playing the same thing. Rogers had Tryon underneath, but still let Jackson free over the top, which makes me think that he thought it was an "even" coverage. Horton stayed underneath at the LOS looking for a dig dig or crossing patter, which implies that he thought it was "odd" coverage.

Normally, the free safety will give away the coverage on the rare off-chance that we get the overhead camera view, but the way Landry seems to read coverages these days, no one ever knows what the hell he's doing anyway. Rogers was the one who probably screwed it up, in all honesty, but it might have been a 1/4, 1/4, 1/2 situation. You never know.

Oh well.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:48 PM   #43
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I said this a while back.. bu there are only two people that can have success in DC. Joe Gibbs and Goerge Allen. Joe aint coming back and neither is George, but his son could. I really like giving him a shot at GM.
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