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Old 10-27-2009, 09:05 AM   #1
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The line is quite offensive right now

Wow, I am simply amazed at how piss poor the OL is. At this point it doesn't matter who is behind center, I'm frankly worried for JC right now. If this keeps up he's not going to last too much longer. He's shell shocked at this point.

Why not get Pete Kendall in here and plug him in at RG, or move Dockery and put Kendall at LG?? Can it really hurt at this point? Also, Levi Jones needs to get coached up and be starting at LT after the bye, no excuses. Heyer is just pathetic at LT and merely serviceable at RT.

Looking ahead to next year the potential free agents are here, but that list could look much different with no cap as 4 year free agents will suddenly not be available until after year 5.

2010 NFL Free Agents: OL

Whoever is calling the personnel shots next offseason better have the OL as priorities #1, #2, and #3.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:13 AM   #2
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Heyer is really bad. The whole line is bad. That's the thing, one or two bad lineman make the whole line look horrible. We have a few lineman who shouldn't be starting.

That being said JC had a bad game, again. He didn't feel the rush, had no pocket presence, and missed open recievers. I thought the MNF announcers did their best to be supportive of JC but had to call him out on a few occasions.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:17 AM   #3
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Well if we are calling them out, this thread has to start with Rabach. It looked like he was direct snapping to the RB's knee. (would be interesting if that was a designed crazy play since Gruden said it set up like the first TD to Thomas).

and Heyer. I saw him plopped on his a** on multiple occassions. After he was back at RT.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:17 AM   #4
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I agree, and because we need 3 new starters I would support picking up 1 through free agency preferably one of the first 2 Marcus or Jarhi. BUT I no way support spending a ton of dollars to get 2 or 3 guys because we will continue to repeat the same bullsh*t spend policy of Snyder. IT DOESNT WORK! We need to looking very very closely at the upcoming draft and draft at least 3 Olineman with our picks. We need teambuilding through. Our first pick mos def should be spent on a Olineman. I think Williams, Reinhart, Heyer, and Montgomery are good second stringers, but are not starters, so I say try to keep some of these guys around to compete as proper depth for our team.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:19 AM   #5
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The line is bad and everyone knows it. Someone needs to take the fall for putting Williams on the roster. Also where is Rinehart?????? But part of the problem is Campbell. He's been doing this all year.....when he steps up in the pocket he keeps moving forward. He doesn't stop and re set his feet. He steps right up in the backs of the guys that are blocking for him. Yes the line sucks but JC sure isn't helping them.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:20 AM   #6
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Heyer is really bad. The whole line is bad. That's the thing, one or two bad lineman make the whole line look horrible. We have a few lineman who shouldn't be starting.

That being said JC had a bad game, again. He didn't feel the rush, had no pocket presence, and missed open recievers. I thought the MNF announcers did their best to be supportive of JC but had to call him out on a few occasions.
I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:24 AM   #7
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I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.
That's the thing, he is worried about the pressure and it's affecting his game. Easy for us to sit here and say, right? It's not all on him. He got beat up last night.

Until you beat the blitz, they are going to keep on coming. JC had a great blitz pickup throw down the middle to ARE in the 2nd half. Those are the things we've got to do to stop teams from blitzing.

The problem is our line gets beat w/out the blitz.
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How does a center get progressively worse at his snaps? Our Tackles wouldn't even be guards elsewhere.

What do we see in Montgomery vs Rinehart?
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I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.
I'm a JC fan, but it is hard to keep taking his side. Overall though, I've at least decided that he's not a good fit for this offense. I really wish we could've seen Al Saunders stay, that O suited JC's strengths much more. NOt that it would matter now.

The ghost of Sammy Baugh is scared to stand behind this o line!
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I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.
F JC. He isnt improving, his mistakes are costing this team big time. We need a new QB next season. No more excuses for him. He has had 5 years. Bye Bye JC!!!!
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F JC. He isnt improving, his mistakes are costing this team big time. We need a new QB next season. No more excuses for him. He has had 5 years. Bye Bye JC!!!!
Okay...name the QB who should come in here. Where does he come from? How do you acquire him?

I understand the frustration. I'm to my breaking point with JC, but there's not one quarterback in this league who could look great behind this line, so you better address that as well. And if you want to spend a #1 pick on a QB and have him turn into David Carr behind this GD line, then you're going to be saying F Snead, Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, or Kolb in about 5 years too.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:40 AM   #12
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Simply amazing how bad this OL is. No running lanes at all, pass protection is shotty. This is going to sound bad because I have lots of respect for Buges, but man, this is starting to remind me of the OL we had when Spurrier was here. Campbell is past shell shock.
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I find it hard to hate on Bugel when the talent simply isn't there. He's not a miracle worker.
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I said it in the other thread. It's starting to look like 03 when it was open season on Ramsey. At least JC has some wheels, Collins might actually die back there.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:48 AM   #15
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Fingers crossed that Levi Jones can prove to be a good stop gap LT that can be a solid starter for 2-3 years at the least. We should know by the end of the year whether LT is a need or not. Dockery will likely be back at LG and I don't have a problem with that.

So that leaves center and the right side of the line. Is it possible to get 3 new starters in here or am I dreaming?
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