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Old 10-27-2009, 01:51 PM   #16
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So if you guys owned a business and a customer was in you business with something like that about you the owner you would allow them to stay?
If my store had 80,000 people there and they were being civil while I was charging $2,000 for a hot dog then absolutely. Especially after I got caught suing fans that were eligible for bankruptcy.
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Old 10-27-2009, 01:52 PM   #17
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Firstdown - I understand, but given the current atmosphere and national attention this team is receiving (sports wise of course), I would think that Snyder would be a little more diplomatic in his approach or even allow it considering the potential media backlash it would create (and already has).
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:00 PM   #18
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Firstdown - I understand, but given the current atmosphere and national attention this team is receiving (sports wise of course), I would think that Snyder would be a little more diplomatic in his approach or even allow it considering the potential media backlash it would create (and already has).
Yep. As much bad pub as he's getting, he's going to be getting more for kicking people out and cancelling their seasons tickets. He's better taking the "grin and bear it" approach. Wow, i hope it's not true.
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:08 PM   #19
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Re: Denial of free speech @ games?

Cooke is rolling in his grave right now. Until Dan faces the mirror and decides that winning is more important than having his friend at his side, this organization will never change. We will at best be 8-8 year in and year out. And it is simple, we have no real team philosophy set by a GM/Coach duo that the whole team can follow. No real coach will ever want to come to this circus as long as Cerrata is in town. Which means we will actually be worse off than the Raiders, since their owner has less time on this planet to ruin things than Synder.
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:08 PM   #20
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I dont know its a tough call. These kinda stories look pretty bad though. Wait till the national media gets winds, or some kid records security guards forcing an old man to leave. Then Dan is gonna get national attention, and that will hurt him.

It is definitely better to let the mass voice their opinion quietly. As long as they are not creating a stir.
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:10 PM   #21
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Didn't the Detroit FO do something similiar when M. Millen was the GM?
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:12 PM   #22
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What if every fan that came to the next home game was wearing a Dan and Vinny are butt weasels T-shirt and all the fans refused to take them off? What then? The game would be played to an empty stadium?
I think Danny and Vinny are stupid, they do not realize they are playing with fire.
By denying the fans the right to poke fun at the FO they are going to alienate more fans and add fuel to the building fire.
This is yet another example of Danny's ego is more important than anything else...like the team, the fans, the franchise. Danny will never learn. He behaves like a spoiled child.
Who the fuck does he think is? That he is not open to criticism? That by definition is childish.
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:12 PM   #23
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Well I wouldn't be surprised. Sal Palantonio really came after Vinny with questions during the pre-game show. I was sure Vinny said to himself midway through the interview that doing this interview was a mistake. Of course hopefully he's solidifying his contacts so he can get back on ESPN after this year instead of picking WR's, TE's, and CB's.
He sure picked some good ones too.
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:17 PM   #24
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Jamaican Skin:

Yes, the Lions did something similar with regard to "offensive" posters and signs about Matt Millen. ANd that is what the Washington Redskins' organization has sunk to - - the level of the Detroit Lions...


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Until Dan faces the mirror and decides that winning is more important than having his friend at his side, this organization will never change.

Is it possible - even remotely possible - that winning is NOT as important to Danny Boy than having his ego stroked by a bunch of ass-kissers around him? Think about it...
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:22 PM   #25
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What if every fan that came to the next home game was wearing a Dan and Vinny are butt weasels T-shirt and all the fans refused to take them off? What then? The game would be played to an empty stadium?
I think Danny and Vinny are stupid, they do not realize they are playing with fire.
By denying the fans the right to poke fun at the FO they are going to alienate more fans and add fuel to the building fire.
This is yet another example of Danny's ego is more important than anything else...like the team, the fans, the franchise. Danny will never learn. He behaves like a spoiled child.
Who the fuck does he think is? That he is not open to criticism? That by definition is childish.
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:24 PM   #26
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Re: Denial of free speech @ games?

I'm all for freedom of speech, but if these people are that disgruntled with Snyder, wouldn't it speak louder to just not go to the games?

At the same time, throwing these people out is definitely thin skinned. Without the fans, there is no Daniel Snyder, there is no full stadium, there is no Washington Redskins. So, I DO think people have the right to voice their displeasure inside the stadium. Fans were even approached by security in the parking lots. Now, that is above and beyond.
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:37 PM   #27
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I'm all for freedom of speech, but if these people are that disgruntled with Snyder, wouldn't it speak louder to just not go to the games?

At the same time, throwing these people out is definitely thin skinned. Without the fans, there is no Daniel Snyder, there is no full stadium, there is no Washington Redskins. So, I DO think people have the right to voice their displeasure inside the stadium. Fans were even approached by security in the parking lots. Now, that is above and beyond.
Not showing up to the game is not getting the message across. The signs are for the nationally television audience that doesn't watch the Redskins on a weekly basis. A lot of the national audience do not know how bad the situation is. They watch one game and don't realize its an organization problem. If you only watch one game, you might think, its only one or two players that are not performing, as opposed to a cancerous lack of performance on the entire offense. The signs or needed. They voice the opinion of the fan and Danny & Vinny need to see it every week until they do something about it. Protest brings about change.
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:46 PM   #28
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Not showing up to the game is not getting the message across. The signs are for the nationally television audience that doesn't watch the Redskins on a weekly basis. A lot of the national audience do not know how bad the situation is. They watch one game and don't realize its an organization problem. If you only watch one game, you might think, its only one or two players that are not performing, as opposed to a cancerous lack of performance on the entire offense. The signs or needed. They voice the opinion of the fan and Danny & Vinny need to see it every week until they do something about it. Protest brings about change.
Well I watched the game last night and saw a full stadium and none of those protesters. I was actually surprised by how many fans went to the game and thought that the Eagle fans would be there in larger numbers.
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Not showing up to the game is not getting the message across. The signs are for the nationally television audience that doesn't watch the Redskins on a weekly basis. A lot of the national audience do not know how bad the situation is. They watch one game and don't realize its an organization problem. If you only watch one game, you might think, its only one or two players that are not performing, as opposed to a cancerous lack of performance on the entire offense. The signs or needed. They voice the opinion of the fan and Danny & Vinny need to see it every week until they do something about it. Protest brings about change.
I don't know about that. If I tune into a game and I know that the home team is 2-4 and I am seeing that the stadium is not even half filled, then that says to me that there is something really wrong with the team. And, honestly, I really doubt that football fans of other teams are going to care if Snyder is the problem or if it's Portis. They are going to see that fans must be so fed up with the team that they don't bother even showing up to the stadium. I mean anyways, if one watches football on a regular basis, they would have to be living under a rock to not know that Daniel Snyder is not a very well liked owner amongst the Redskins fans and across the league.
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Well I watched the game last night and saw a full stadium and none of those protesters. I was actually surprised by how many fans went to the game and thought that the Eagle fans would be there in larger numbers.
Exactly! I didn't see one fan wearing any of those shirts on TV. But, if I had tuned in and noticed that half the stadium is empty (like it was last week,) then I would know something is wrong.
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