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Old 10-28-2009, 12:43 AM   #76
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whoever said sign garcia to a 2 year deal and go after barkley in two years has the best Idea...good QB's are going to be coming out every year like it or not...you can't fall in love with any ONE but we desperately need O LINE help. We need to be spending our first rounder on a stud left tackle...then another CENTER that knows how to snap...and we need a right tackle and a right guard...so basically our next two years we have our first 2 rounds slated for OLINE! Then we can think about a QB...maybe try a project in round 4 of this years draft...you know...sense we gave up our 3rd rounder for a guy who plays about 5 snaps a game in Jeremy Jarmon...who has "tons of upside". I'm tired of drafting guys with upside...why can't we get playmakers at day one.

Look at the Ravens...they have drafted OLINE heavily in the first rounds for what...the past five years...and look at how productive they are know. You have to deal with a few years with a shitty QB to build up an oline that's going to dominate...then any QB can succeed...even jason campbell. Although I don't feel JC is the answer...at least in this offensive scheme. and neither is CB for that matter...but man Barkley is looking like the next brady and manning to me.
Garcia huh. He out their now sitting on the couch. The Eagles let him go and the Raiders did not want Jeff Garcia. With that said he is not the best option or we are done for several years with that noodle arm QB.
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Old 10-28-2009, 12:54 AM   #77
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LOL. I knew you'd say him

I think it's very possible that Campbell returns, but probably not likely. Even if he's not an unrestricted free agent, I wouldn't be surprised if the Redskins simply don't tender him. Campbell seems like a great guy, and potentially a solid QB. And yes the OL issues have not helped him, although last night was the first time I thought the line was really awful this season (in other games they've been average to below average). Still, my own unprofessional observations tell me there are things he is not doing right. And I've listened to too many ex-NFL QBs basically say "The OL issue is a crutch. Campbell needs to step it up and take charge." He hasn't often enough and so I think his time is unfortunately up here. It's been mentioned many times before, but when you look at what Rodgers is doing with a brutal line in Green Bay you have to ask yourself why can't Campbell do the same?

If Gruden does actually become our next head coach, I could see the Redskins making a push (trade) for a veteran QB like Kellen Clemens or maybe even Matt Moore and then take someone like Zac Robinson or even Jevan Snead in the 2nd round (or 3rd if we can trade back into that round). Or even Rusty Smith...or John Skelton (but he's not really a Gruden type in my opinion).

This is what I think will actually happen. I think as much as my Gruden source says no he won't coach the Redskins I have a feeling he will (or maybe it's just wishful thinking because I don't want Shanahan), Matt Millen would probably just slide into Gruden's role on MNF, Gruden will go OL in the first 2 rounds, he'll sign or trade for some veteran like Clemens that could start for a year, and he'll draft someone like a Zac Robinson to start by 2011. And he'll find a way to bring in Tebow to replace Mike Sellers

If Gruden isn't the coach, or maybe even if he is, I think we take Jimmy Clausen. (in my best Jaws voice) I've gone back and watched every offensive play this season of the top QB candidates and there's something special about Clausen. I'd take him with the first pick in the draft and stock up on OL the rest of the draft (and a RB somewhere)
I also hope if we making a coaching change its John Gruden. We need a no nonsense coach who will get in this teams ass. As for JC I dont see him a good fit for the WC offense so if thats the offense we keep running next season I dont want him as our QB.
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Old 10-28-2009, 12:58 AM   #78
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I believe Kellen Clemens will be a free agent,wouldnt need to trade for him.I dont want us to draft a qb high and i dont like the list of free agent qbs.I'm sick of JC but our choices suck.
Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (34)
Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (28)
David Carr, New York Giants (30)
Kellen Clemens, New York Jets (26)
Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (32)
Jeff Garcia, Oakland Raiders (39)
Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (29)
Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (30)
Tarvaris Jackson, Minnesota Vikings (26)
Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (36)
Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (25) Restricted FA
Patrick Ramsey, Tennessee Titans (30)
Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (24) Exclusive Rights FA
Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (25) Restricted FA

I think Tarvaris Jackson probably has the most upside.I dont know anything about Matt Moore.
I would like to see us draft a qb in the lower rounds,trade out high draft pick for more picks for more off lineman,let Todd Collins and Colt battle it out for the starting job and next yr be a rebuilding yr.Thats what I would like to see happen,but With todays win now attitude I dont see that happening
I like the Jackson choice because he comes from a WC offense in Minnesota and he is mobile. He also is young but has some starts under his belt.
Matt Moore can not beat out Jake Delhomme enough said.
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:02 AM   #79
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If we were to stick with the WCO, then I would sign a veteran QB that knows the WCO. I would draft another QB in the second or third round that I think would be a fit for the WCO and begin to groom him. Whatever veteran that we signed would battle Colt Brennan for the starting position. The drafted guy would get a full 3 years to learn the WCO before he even gets a chance to compete for the starting job.

If we are going to start over from scratch on offense then I am going to use my second pick in the draft for a QB if I have multiple first round selections. If I only have one first round pick, then I will wait until year two to use my first rounder on a QB. From day one the first round draft pick QB will be the starter.

In both of these scenarios I use the majority of the early picks to focus on the offensive line.
You don't let your drafted QB compete for 3 years? Jesus man....
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:06 AM   #80
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As we all can see from watching , the O-line is awful. We can not spend our possible high draft pick on a QB. We need to either trade down for more picks , but we must take the best O-lineman available. If we can get extra picks to move down than we should do it to draft a QB in the later rounds. We need Olineman and a young RB ( Im thinking CJ Spillers out of Clemson) in the later rounds. We dont have a 3rd so we need to get a 3rd round pick by either trading a vet or sliding down in the draft. We also could use a MLB to groom behind London, not sure HB Blades is the answer. I say go with a veteran QB maybe Tavarius Jackson or David Carr and let Colt Brennan get his shot. Its time for JC to take his nice guy act to another city. He just doesnt lead this team like we need at the QB positon.
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:12 AM   #81
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A guy that might be a good steal is LeFavre from Central Michigan. One hell of an athlete, great arm, etc. He is the Matt Ryan, Flacco type, in that he is totally under the radar. The big named QB's are not the ones to draft. The only ones to have panned out in the last decade are Eli and Palmer, and it took Palmer forever to get healthy or stay healthy. McCoy plays at a powerhouse, so does Bradford. They do not see real evenly matched competiton unless they play each other, Tex Tech, or Nebraska. On top of that Bradford has a glass shoulder.
I don't know that you call injuring a shoulder and then re-aggravating it as a "glass" bodypart, but I guess they think enough of it to encourage him to go ahead and get paid.
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Trade JC for a 7th rounder. Cut Collins. Give Vinny a new pair of cement shoes. Bring in a Vet and rebuild the Oline with our picks. Vick anyone?
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I agree with that. Gruden seemed to focus on very fixable aspects of JCs game, such as planting his feet before a throw and keeping his eyes downfield.
every analyst this year has said that
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A guy that might be a good steal is LeFavre from Central Michigan. One hell of an athlete, great arm, etc. He is the Matt Ryan, Flacco type, in that he is totally under the radar. The big named QB's are not the ones to draft. The only ones to have panned out in the last decade are Eli and Palmer, and it took Palmer forever to get healthy or stay healthy. McCoy plays at a powerhouse, so does Bradford. They do not see real evenly matched competiton unless they play each other, Tex Tech, or Nebraska. On top of that Bradford has a glass shoulder.
So P. Rivers or Big Ben havn't panned out? Palmer isn't better than any of those two. Idk what you are watching but Rivers is a top 5 QB.
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:19 AM   #85
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I like the Jackson choice because he comes from a WC offense in Minnesota and he is mobile. He also is young but has some starts under his belt.
Matt Moore can not beat out Jake Delhomme enough said.
Jackson did some some good stuff earlier in the year.. last year he was what we think of JaMarcus this year
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every analyst this year has said that
Guys JC is 28 yrs old, if you think one guy will change this guy's mechanics you are high! I just dont understand why JC continues to look the same every year and you guys always defend him?
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:52 AM   #87
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Let Colt Brennan, Chase Daniels, Andre Woodson and an affordable relatively young FA veteran battle it out next summer. Yes, bring Chase back. I am not saying Chase is the answer, but I like him. If we get a diamond in rough out of this group great, but we should not invest heavily in an expensive FA Qb or spend a valuable draft pick on a QB with all the other needs we have. Rebuilding the O-line might take a couple of years.
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Old 10-28-2009, 08:01 AM   #88
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In an uncapped year Kellen Clemens would not be an unrestricted free agent

People shouldn't read too much into Moore not starting over Delhomme. Delhomme is a veteran with a massive contract, but that doesn't mean Moore can't play. More importantly he probably wouldn't cost too much (well maybe a 5th rounder which for us might be too much). I'm not advocating him, just saying he's a possibility

In the past when I've brought up Tarvaris Jackson, the reaction has been less than encouraging...so I think I'll stop bringing him up

If Shanahan is our guy, Matt Leinart will absolutely be on our radar. If it's Gruden, I don't see it happening
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SEC QB don't want no corn eating midwest NFL busts at QB or West coast NFL busts.
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Let Colt Brennan, Chase Daniels, Andre Woodson and an affordable relatively young FA veteran battle it out next summer. Yes, bring Chase back. I am not saying Chase is the answer, but I like him. If we get a diamond in rough out of this group great, but we should not invest heavily in an expensive FA Qb or spend a valuable draft pick on a QB with all the other needs we have. Rebuilding the O-line might take a couple of years.

You can't pick QBs based on whether you like them or not. JEEZ!!!
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