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Old 11-04-2009, 05:42 AM   #16
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Re: Offense or Defense?

The popular sports saying "Defense wins champonships" is correct. Slingin Sammy's post are perfect examples. Of course there will be exceptions every now and then (Greatest show on turf Rams early 2000s), but generally you want a Defense over Offense any day.
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:32 AM   #17
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If your objective is to win championships, it's imperative you be among the best in both areas. One without the other is going to consistently lead to uneven results.
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:04 AM   #18
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Don't underestimate special teams...seriously
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In today's NFL, a great O will beat a great D most of the time. I would rather have a good offense than a defense. Nearly every year the rule changes benefit the offensive side of the ball. This isn't 2 yards and a cloud of dust anymore. This is a game where you need to be consistently scoring 21+ points or you have little to no shot to being a good team.

If I were building a team. Id build my D to be opportunistic and turnover happy, even if that costs big plays -- because Id spend a lot more time on me O.
Really? Care to toss out some examples?

Maybe you can apply that to the regular season, maybe, but playoff football is always about defense and the running game.
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Don't underestimate special teams...seriously
The problem with only having a great D and a poor O is that a special teams gaffe can lose a game. The margin for error is so thin when you have a poor offense only capable of putting up 14 points, which magnifies any mistakes on special teams. The botched punt which lost the game at Carolina is a case in point.

BTW, don't get too high on our D. They are just as liable during this rotten stretch. They couldn't stop the Giants from converting 3rd and long all day, and they let a rookie QB drive the ball up and down the field in Detroit for 275 first half yards. Despite a markedly improved pass rush, we're getting zero plays from the secondary, aside from an occasional INT by Hall. Where is Laron Landry??? Where is Carlos Rogers??? As far as I'm concerned, those two have been MIA all year.
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The problem with only having a great D and a poor O is that a special teams gaffe can lose a game. The margin for error is so thin when you have a poor offense only capable of putting up 14 points, which magnifies any mistakes on special teams. The botched punt which lost the game at Carolina is a case in point.

BTW, don't get too high on our D. They are just as liable during this rotten stretch. They couldn't stop the Giants from converting 3rd and long all day, and they let a rookie QB drive the ball up and down the field in Detroit for 275 first half yards. Despite a markedly improved pass rush, we're getting zero plays from the secondary, aside from an occasional INT by Hall. Where is Laron Landry??? Where is Carlos Rogers??? As far as I'm concerned, those two have been MIA all year.
I think our D is built to be the stronger of the two units but not to carry a team to victory like the Ravens did in previous years (not this year, they have a helluva offense), the Titans last year, and Bears during the season they made it to the SB.
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Really? Care to toss out some examples?

Maybe you can apply that to the regular season, maybe, but playoff football is always about defense and the running game.
Colts over the Bears, Bears were the best defense that year and the Colts were one of the worst. The Panthers had a better defense than the 03 Patriots, with that crushing front four. When was the last time a team won the Superbowl without a strong passing attack?
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I think our D is built to be the stronger of the two units but not to carry a team to victory like the Ravens did in previous years (not this year, they have a helluva offense), the Titans last year, and Bears during the season they made it to the SB.
And what did the Ravens do on offense? They took stock of their QB's skill set, and brought in the Cam Cameron/Al Saunders system to fit those skills. Flacco is going to be a great QB in that system for many years.

I really thought Campbell would have been a great fit had we given him one more year in the Saunders system. I questioned his ability to play the short, passing on rhythm WCO the day we hired Zorn - it's just not a good fit.
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After watching last nights game vs ATL, I was thinking to myself... Is it better to have a top ranked Offense than it is a top ranked Defense?? It's a legitimate question in today's NFL. Look at WSH for an example.. Num 30th ranked Offense and a top 6 Defense yet 2-5 is this teams record... For my Saints, you have the top ranked offense in the league, but just an avg D.. 7-0 is our record.. So I would take the Offense over Defense any day..
Only when that top ranked defense can get key stops and force turn overs.
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And what did the Ravens do on offense? They took stock of their QB's skill set, and brought in the Cam Cameron/Al Saunders system to fit those skills. Flacco is going to be a great QB in that system for many years.

I really thought Campbell would have been a great fit had we given him one more year in the Saunders system. I questioned his ability to play the short, passing on rhythm WCO the day we hired Zorn - it's just not a good fit.
Not to mention the fact that the Ravens did a good job scouting and got themselves a LT in the supplemental draft (Gaither), picked up a good QB, and shored up that line with Oher.
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Colts over the Bears, Bears were the best defense that year and the Colts were one of the worst. The Panthers had a better defense than the 03 Patriots, with that crushing front four. When was the last time a team won the Superbowl without a strong passing attack?
Yeah but how was that Colts D during that playoff run?

Ravens won with a crap passing attack. The Giants beat the Pats without an overly strong passing game.
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Yeah but how was that Colts D during that playoff run?

Ravens won with a crap passing attack. The Giants beat the Pats without an overly strong passing game.
Ravens are really the only example I can think of - they had a terrible offense, but 7 -10 points was usually enough for them to win, especially in the playoffs. The Giants had weopons in their passing game - clearly Plaxico Burress was a matchup problem that freed up some of the younger guys to make plays - Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, and David Tyree all made impact plays in the passing game that day. The Pats and the Giants were strong on both sides of the ball that year. The Ravens are the only Super Bowl champion that was terrible on one side of the ball.

BTW, I'm in agreement that the Colts D was pretty damn strong on their playoff run (once Bob Sanders was healthy).
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Don't underestimate special teams...seriously
I was so on my way to mention the special teams. Facetious minds think alike.
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After watching last nights game vs ATL, I was thinking to myself... Is it better to have a top ranked Offense than it is a top ranked Defense?? It's a legitimate question in today's NFL. Look at WSH for an example.. Num 30th ranked Offense and a top 6 Defense yet 2-5 is this teams record... For my Saints, you have the top ranked offense in the league, but just an avg D.. 7-0 is our record.. So I would take the Offense over Defense any day..
I think it all depends on how the HC sets up his team, but in the end If you don't have more points on the board then your opponent you lose. If you have a great Defense then you atleast have to have an Offense that can put a few points on the board, atleast more then 21 points.

If you have the top scoring offense then utilize that and make sure you scoring on every drive. Try to get the ball first in order to make the other team play catch up.

To me either one will work. No different the people saying my look at the Defense they are getting tired out there.....Hello, there's an Offense out there too, you can't tell me that an offense on the field too long does not get tired also.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:16 PM   #30
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I think usually when you have one unit (offense/defense) that gets all the attention and recognition ,then the other unit gets overlooked and underrated.

A great example of that was the 49ers of the 80's. The offense was considered an all-time great, but the defense was also great in it's own right. That defense was often overlooked, even though they had one of the greatest safeties in Ronnie Lott.
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