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Old 11-03-2009, 09:18 PM   #1
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Offense or Defense?

After watching last nights game vs ATL, I was thinking to myself... Is it better to have a top ranked Offense than it is a top ranked Defense?? It's a legitimate question in today's NFL. Look at WSH for an example.. Num 30th ranked Offense and a top 6 Defense yet 2-5 is this teams record... For my Saints, you have the top ranked offense in the league, but just an avg D.. 7-0 is our record.. So I would take the Offense over Defense any day..
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:24 PM   #2
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After watching last nights game vs ATL, I was thinking to myself... Is it better to have a top ranked Offense than it is a top ranked Defense?? It's a legitimate question in today's NFL. Look at WSH for an example.. Num 30th ranked Offense and a top 6 Defense yet 2-5 is this teams record... For my Saints, you have the top ranked offense in the league, but just an avg D.. 7-0 is our record.. So I would take the Offense over Defense any day..
could sworn your logo was eagles about 10 minutes ago not saints, and you need both, like the saints their d isn't the worst, you can't just have d and no o you have to have both like bmore last year their d was sick but their o wasn't that bad
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:32 PM   #3
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While I'm too lazy to look them up I think the Saints stats on d are pretty legit dude...Williams has that unit playing extremely well even w/ major talent out of the starting line-up cuz of injury (Ellis and Fujita).

...so yeah both sides of the ball must be quality but hasn't history proven that since forever?
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:37 PM   #4
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Re: Offense or Defense?

Either. You just can't have one or the other ranked near the bottom of the league. If the Skins Offense was even a middle of the pack unit, their record would be much different. The Saints have had a high-powered Offense for years. They're legit this year, because their D is finally respectable (and opportunistic).
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:39 PM   #5
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Re: Offense or Defense?

In today's NFL, a great O will beat a great D most of the time. I would rather have a good offense than a defense. Nearly every year the rule changes benefit the offensive side of the ball. This isn't 2 yards and a cloud of dust anymore. This is a game where you need to be consistently scoring 21+ points or you have little to no shot to being a good team.

If I were building a team. Id build my D to be opportunistic and turnover happy, even if that costs big plays -- because Id spend a lot more time on me O.
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Either. You just can't have one or the other ranked near the bottom of the league. If the Skins Offense was even a middle of the pack unit, their record would be much different. The Saints have had a high-powered Offense for years. They're legit this year, because their D is finally respectable (and opportunistic).
And even better, they helped me in a come from behind fantasy win last night
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:43 PM   #7
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In today's NFL, a great O will beat a great D most of the time. I would rather have a good offense than a defense. Nearly every year the rule changes benefit the offensive side of the ball. This isn't 2 yards and a cloud of dust anymore. This is a game where you need to be consistently scoring 21+ points or you have little to no shot to being a good team.

If I were building a team. Id build my D to be opportunistic and turnover happy, even if that costs big plays -- because Id spend a lot more time on me O.
How'd that Giants / Pats Superbowl work out? How about Steelers / Cards? Just sayin'
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@daseal, puppy kicker?
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:49 PM   #9
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When my uncle coached Ohio State he had potent offenses coupled with solid defenses. THe Buckeye defenses he had were not tops in yardage allowed, but they always were #1 in turnover ratio in the Big Ten, which in my mind is just as effective as being #1 in yardage allowed. His defenses were more bend but don't break types, but they were also good with the ppg as well as turnovers. But to answer you, you need both. Think of the old Denver Nuggets in the 80's- early 90's. They scored 120 easy, but played no D and lost more than they won. The Saints D is solid with athletic DBs.
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@wildcat seriously wasn't your logo eagles now i guess it's like 40 minutes ago, pretty sure it was, when you sign back in tho let me know who your team is that week
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Re: Offense or Defense?

A good defense will choke the life out of a good offense. Always has been, always will bee. See 2007 16-0 New England Patriots vs 10-6 New York Giants.
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:00 PM   #12
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How'd that Giants / Pats Superbowl work out? How about Steelers / Cards? Just sayin'


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A good defense will choke the life out of a good offense. Always has been, always will bee. See 2007 16-0 New England Patriots vs 10-6 New York Giants.
Great posts.
A good defense and a good running game are more important than having a high flying offense. Come playoff time a running game and a defense that shut down other teams will win championships. Epecially when the weather gets bad in December/Jan in cities like Pittsburgh, Philly, NY, and Chicago.
Ask the most prolific passers of the past Dan Marino and Dan Fouts how many SB rings they have? None.
Even the great John Elway did not win one until Suberbowl MVP Terrell Davis showed up. Peyton Manning finally won one on a rather pedestrian 247 yards passing one td and one interception. But Dominic Rhodes rushed 113 yards and J. Addai added 77 yards. It is better to be balanced.
It is easy to get seduced by a high flying offense, but good ol fashioned smash mouth football will win more times than not.
Ask Snyderato who rather draft WR's and TE rather then draft linemen.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:22 AM   #13
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no way D all the way baby
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:40 AM   #14
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Gotta score to win. Give me offense all day every day.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:21 AM   #15
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Re: Offense or Defense?

What does the Giants win over the Patriots prove? The Patriots had a higher ranked defense than the Giants in 2007. While that stat is a tad misleading because of the degree to which their offense dominated time of possession, that game was not a triumph of defense over offense so much as health over injury, with a little bit of luck thrown in (helmet catch anyone?). How about mentioning the 2006 Colts who had the worst run defense of all time? The 04-09 Skins who have been largely dominant on defense and haven't won a thing. And the 09 Cardinals? Give me a break, they were a tremendous underdog who made it all the way to the Superbowl and almost won by outscoring people all through the playoffs. That proves that offense isn't important?

If we are looking at Superbowl winners you will be hard pressed to find a recent winner that wasn't extremely competitive on both sides of the ball. With a few historical anomalies (the 00 Ravens come to mind) that has always been the case. The Steelers had one of the great defenses last year, but they also have a top five quarterback in his prime, a solid line, and excellent skill position players. Their offense underachieved for a large part of last season due to injury, but they got it together for the playoffs and were able to move the ball. They also won the championship on a last minute drive after their defense failed in the clutch. The old adage defense wins championships ignores the degree to which things like rule changes favoring the offense have changed the complexion of the game.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that this question is superfluous. You gotta have both.
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