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Old 11-09-2009, 11:09 AM   #46
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Nothing we didn't already know but still hard to read this:

"Several people told us that the offensive line was the greatest area of concern during the first series of meetings. Offensive line Coach Joe Bugel, criticized privately by some in the organization for being too loyal to veterans in the past, was brutally honest during the line review, sources said, particularly about how the line fell apart in the second half of the season.

There was a consensus among those in attendance that the team needs to upgrade at both guard spots and right tackle, though most sources doubted there will any kind of substantial free-agent budget to do that, and figure most of the present cast will be back.

Cerrato was looking for reasons for the team's 2-6 finish, which some coaches at first thought was a joke given personnel issues and the continuing age and injury problems of the line. Rarely could the entire line practice together save for some lighter Friday sessions and the players' technique and chemistry suffered. Veteran football coaches know the importance of having a line on the practice field as a unit. With most of this bunch coming off surgery again, that issue is unlikely to go away if they keep the group together.

Third-round pick Chad Rinehart is not seen as a capable player at this point, according to numerous sources involved in the meeting, and is not projected as being anywhere close to able to replace Pete Kendall or Randy Thomas at guard. Many coaches, including Bugel, worry about his confidence and ability, sources said. He is not being counted on to produce much in 2009, and if he did it would be a surprising development. Similarly, Stephon Heyer is not viewed as a starter; he's okay for depth purposes but with Jon Jansen no longer deemed a starter, either, they need to do something at right tackle (I still expect them to draft a tackle with their first pick).

Kendall could not practice on Wednesdays all season because of his arthritic knees and, in addition, is in his mid-30s. Given the team's cap predicament, its needs and the internal expectation that they will not be big spenders, sources said they expect the team to try to re-sign Kendall on the cheap. Thomas's health and decreasing athleticism are a big issue as well, but, like Jansen, his contract makes it more expensive to cut him than to keep him, so he will be back. Look for the team to find a "value" guard in free agency to replace Jason Fabini and push for a starting job. Beyond that, I'm not sure they do a whole lot here. "
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:23 PM   #47
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It's a jailbreak nearly every time JC drops back. I honestly feel bad for the guy.
As do I, he's seriously going to get a major injury behind this joke of a line. He's doing great considering what he has to work with. Sacked 11 times in the past 2 weeks.

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When he lead the team to those two scoring drives beat up & battered he showed leadership qualities, he showed heart, and most importantly he showed me if he had more help upfront we could possibly score 20+ and be a threat. Looking at the replays this morning seeing Josh Freeman, Chad Henne & others having time to throw makes me sick.

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Old 11-09-2009, 02:51 PM   #48
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I was just curious how bad Heyers backup must be considering Heyer is horrible. It's almost laughable.

I felt bad for JC and the team. He got beat up and everyone knew it but couldn't do anything about it. It's not the players, they're doing the best they can. They just don't have the talent.
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:58 PM   #49
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can someone explain why rinehart isn't on the field??? wtf???????????????????????????
Let me give you three words on this topic:

He - - - Can't - - - Play!!!
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Old 11-09-2009, 03:03 PM   #50
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Let me give you three words on this topic:
He - - - Can't - - - Play!!!
I think SkinsFan69 meant to ask, why did we draft a guy in the 3rd round that can't play.

If CR can't start on our offensive line then he should be banished from the NFL forever.
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Old 11-09-2009, 03:05 PM   #51
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Let me give you three words on this topic:
He - - - Can't - - - Play!!!
Mike Williams is simply atrocious and so is Montgomery. If Rinehart can't get in now with the way the line is playing then they REALLY REALLY blew it on this guy. Someone has got to take the fall for putting these clowns in NFL uniforms.
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I was just curious how bad Heyers backup must be considering Heyer is horrible. It's almost laughable.

I felt bad for JC and the team. He got beat up and everyone knew it but couldn't do anything about it. It's not the players, they're doing the best they can. They just don't have the talent.


Back during OTAs, Vinny did an interview where he said that Stephon Heyer was "unbeatable" as long as he remembered to stay low. We have now seen Stephon Heyer play full time for half a season and - unfortunately - he is eminantly "beatable" whether or not he stays low or stays high or keeps his head up his butt...


If Vinny watched Heyer play/practice and TRULY believed what he said, then you can see why the Skins never draft offensive linemen - - Vinny thinks Heyer is a starter and by that yardstick there are a thousand guys out there in "unsigned free agent territory" who are just as good.
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Old 11-09-2009, 03:10 PM   #53
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As do I, he's seriously going to get a major injury behind this joke of a line. He's doing great considering what he has to work with. Sacked 11 times in the past 2 weeks.




Well said.
He's still looking at the line too much instead of looking downfield, not to say I can blame him. But kudos to JC for manning up and coming back in there to get abused some more. JC is showing a ton of heart and I respect him for that.
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Old 11-09-2009, 04:29 PM   #55
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I was just curious how bad Heyers backup must be considering Heyer is horrible. It's almost laughable.
I'm quite sure Heyer is the worst O-lineman I've seen in 30 years. Did anyone else notice he goes offside on EVERY play?? It's his only chance of stopping the opponent. Luckily the refs feel bad and they only call him for offsides 1 out of 5 times...
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I'm quite sure Heyer is the worst O-lineman I've seen in 30 years. Did anyone else notice he goes offside on EVERY play?? It's his only chance of stopping the opponent. Luckily the refs feel bad and they only call him for offsides 1 out of 5 times...
According to Mosley Heyer is going back to RT and Levi Jones will be at LT.

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Old 11-09-2009, 04:35 PM   #57
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According to Mosley Heyer is going back to RT and Levi Jones will be at LT.

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I am pretty excited to see if that how Levi will play at left tackle. If he does well and Samuels can play back up next year(God Willing), we can pick a QB in the first and possibly a RT in the second. Then take a left tackle in 2011.
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I am pretty excited to see if that how Levi will play at left tackle. If he does well and Samuels can play back up next year(God Willing), we can pick a QB in the first and possibly a RT in the second. Then take a left tackle in 2011.
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]Back during OTAs, Vinny did an interview where he said that Stephon Heyer was "unbeatable" as long as he remembered to stay low. [/B]We have now seen Stephon Heyer play full time for half a season and - unfortunately - he is eminantly "beatable" whether or not he stays low or stays high or keeps his head up his butt...


If Vinny watched Heyer play/practice and TRULY believed what he said, then you can see why the Skins never draft offensive linemen - - Vinny thinks Heyer is a starter and by that yardstick there are a thousand guys out there in "unsigned free agent territory" who are just as good.
Hey Vinny. Do they have pads on during OTA's? No.
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I keep thinking "So these are the guys who weren't good enough to play when our our line was just plain bad huh?" How in the world could anyone with an iota of football sense have stood for this? Hell if I was Zorn I might have walked out prior to the season. Assuming I had any better notion of what good line play was. We can lay this at VC's feet but seriously we have what a dozen offensive coaches and no one went on a Pacino like rant about this line before the season? They all just fell into line about the "potential"? Baffling. truly baffling. How could Zorn get out there and have a straight face knowing what kind of talent we had on the line? Talk about mob mentality. The error of group think strikes again I guess.
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