Offensive Line

skinsfan69 · 11-09-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon;622967[B

]Back during OTAs, Vinny did an interview where he said that Stephon Heyer was "unbeatable" as long as he remembered to stay low. [/B]We have now seen Stephon Heyer play full time for half a season and - unfortunately - he is eminantly "beatable" whether or not he stays low or stays high or keeps his head up his butt...

If Vinny watched Heyer play/practice and TRULY believed what he said, then you can see why the Skins never draft offensive linemen - - Vinny thinks Heyer is a starter and by that yardstick there are a thousand guys out there in "unsigned free agent territory" who are just as good.

Hey Vinny. Do they have pads on during OTA's? No.

FRPLG · 11-09-2009, 05:15 PM

I keep thinking "So these are the guys who weren't good enough to play when our our line was just plain bad huh?" How in the world could anyone with an iota of football sense have stood for this? Hell if I was Zorn I might have walked out prior to the season. Assuming I had any better notion of what good line play was. We can lay this at VC's feet but seriously we have what a dozen offensive coaches and no one went on a Pacino like rant about this line before the season? They all just fell into line about the "potential"? Baffling. truly baffling. How could Zorn get out there and have a straight face knowing what kind of talent we had on the line? Talk about mob mentality. The error of group think strikes again I guess.

T.O.Killa · 11-09-2009, 09:35 PM

You know, I am having a hard time saying this, but i hope that Bugel is not our Oline coach next year. We have realy never been good under his controll since he came back. That may be because they never gave him good players, but I would like to see achange there.

Dirtbag59 · 11-09-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

You know, I am having a hard time saying this, but i hope that Bugel is not our Oline coach next year. We have realy never been good under his controll since he came back. That may be because they never gave him good players, but I would like to see achange there.

Huh? During the Gibbs 2.0 years we were frequently ranked in the top 5 when it came to O-Line units. We were also always ranked high in rushing and sacks allowed (in a division with 3 elite pressure units during Gibbs 2.0). Bugels problem has been a GM that refuses to put any effort into building an O-Line.

T.O.Killa · 11-09-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Huh? During the Gibbs 2.0 years we were frequently ranked in the top 5 when it came to O-Line units. We were also always ranked high in rushing and sacks allowed (in a division with 3 elite pressure units during Gibbs 2.0). Bugels problem has been a GM that refuses to put any effort into building an O-Line.

Our Oline has sucked since 2007. It was just ok before that. Yeah, I gues its the fact that they never get him any good players, but he has not developed anyone.

Ruhskins · 11-09-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Huh? During the Gibbs 2.0 years we were frequently ranked in the top 5 when it came to O-Line units. We were also always ranked high in rushing and sacks allowed (in a division with 3 elite pressure units during Gibbs 2.0). Bugels problem has been a GM that refuses to put any effort into building an O-Line.

Really? I thought the o-line had problems late into Gibbs 2.0....I mean isn't that where Jensen was breaking down and we had the likes of Kendall and Fabini?

T.O.Killa · 11-09-2009, 10:00 PM

I mean, if he was is great, why cant he coach those sorry F**** up. Where is the miracle worker.

T.O.Killa · 11-09-2009, 10:00 PM

He is the one that hand picked Rhinehart

Lotus · 11-09-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

You know, I am having a hard time saying this, but i hope that Bugel is not our Oline coach next year. We have realy never been good under his controll since he came back. That may be because they never gave him good players, but I would like to see achange there.

I'm with you. I've been a fan of Buges for decades but it is time for a change.

BaltimoreSkins · 11-09-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I keep thinking "So these are the guys who weren't good enough to play when our our line was just plain bad huh?" How in the world could anyone with an iota of football sense have stood for this? Hell if I was Zorn I might have walked out prior to the season. Assuming I had any better notion of what good line play was. We can lay this at VC's feet but seriously we have what a dozen offensive coaches and no one went on a Pacino like rant about this line before the season? They all just fell into line about the "potential"? Baffling. truly baffling. How could Zorn get out there and have a straight face knowing what kind of talent we had on the line? Talk about mob mentality. The error of group think strikes again I guess.

The sad thing is that even with all this clamering, the FO still hasn't said addressing the o-line is a priority this offseason

Dirtbag59 · 11-09-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Our Oline has sucked since 2007. It was just ok before that. Yeah, I gues its the fact that they never get him any good players, but he has not developed anyone.

Bugel helped develop Dockery and his work with Heyer is virtually the only reason that guy is in the league today. On a seperate note the only time a Gibbs 2.0 O-Line struggled was 2004. The reason people were pushing for O-Line in the 08 offseason was because they were getting old and Jansens 2nd injury was a wakeup call, despite Heyers strong play at the tail end of that season (minus the Seatle game). To those who would point to 06 as a year the O-Line struggled I'd suggest looking at sacks allowed and Betts rushing totals.

GTripp0012 · 11-09-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Bugel helped develop Dockery and his work with Heyer is virtually the only reason that guy is in the league today. On a seperate note the only time a Gibbs 2.0 O-Line struggled was 2004. The reason people were pushing for O-Line in the 08 offseason was because they were getting old and Jansens 2nd injury was a wakeup call, despite Heyers strong play at the tail end of that season (minus the Seatle game). To those who would point to 06 as a year the O-Line struggled I'd suggest looking at sacks allowed and Betts rushing totals.

Um, do you remember Todd Wade?

Ruhskins · 11-09-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Um, do you remember Todd Wade?

Check mate. LOL.

Mattyk · 11-09-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

The sad thing is that even with all this clamering, the FO still hasn't said addressing the o-line is a priority this offseason

Considering we still have 8 games to go, I wouldn't expect the front office to be announcing plans for next offseason already.

Dirtbag59 · 11-09-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Um, do you remember Todd Wade?

Even then they ran the ball well and protected the QB. The offense wasn't exactly elite that season but the defense was just plain horrible. 5 straight 100 yard games to close out the season and a 1,00 yard season for Betts.

11-09-2009, 05:15 PM	#62
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,292	Re: Offensive Line I keep thinking "So these are the guys who weren't good enough to play when our our line was just plain bad huh?" How in the world could anyone with an iota of football sense have stood for this? Hell if I was Zorn I might have walked out prior to the season. Assuming I had any better notion of what good line play was. We can lay this at VC's feet but seriously we have what a dozen offensive coaches and no one went on a Pacino like rant about this line before the season? They all just fell into line about the "potential"? Baffling. truly baffling. How could Zorn get out there and have a straight face knowing what kind of talent we had on the line? Talk about mob mentality. The error of group think strikes again I guess.

11-09-2009, 09:35 PM	#63
T.O.Killa The Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 1,939	Re: Offensive Line You know, I am having a hard time saying this, but i hope that Bugel is not our Oline coach next year. We have realy never been good under his controll since he came back. That may be because they never gave him good players, but I would like to see achange there.

11-09-2009, 10:00 PM	#67
T.O.Killa The Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 1,939	Re: Offensive Line I mean, if he was is great, why cant he coach those sorry F**** up. Where is the miracle worker.

11-09-2009, 10:00 PM	#68
T.O.Killa The Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 1,939	Re: Offensive Line He is the one that hand picked Rhinehart

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